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315mm would be very impressive under 15's Thumbs up Every mm counts Devil

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Posted 8th Sep 2008 at 17:36
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Well done mate. If you can send me the piston sizes i'll work out the breaking force for you. Give you a rough idea anyway.

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Posted 8th Sep 2008 at 19:12
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Well done mate. If you can send me the piston sizes i'll work out the breaking force for you. Give you a rough idea anyway.


Cheers Welly that would be cool as i have no idea Doh

Leading 38.10mm and Trailing 41.3mm (1.5" & 1.625")

Ap Site says the piston area is 49.5 although i presume thatas mm squared Dunno

Just hope it goes together smoothly on the car now Yes

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Posted 8th Sep 2008 at 19:55
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So they should have approximately 96% of the braking power of the gti6 calipers when considering piston sizes alone.

Of course, the AP caliper is a lot stiffer so outright braking power should be much the same (bar the effect of the bigger discs), along with less pedal travel.

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Posted 8th Sep 2008 at 19:35
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Yeah just had a look on the web Phil and if calcs are right it's 97.5% of the braking power so you were nearly there with your approximation Yes Thumbs up

After driving my mates Caterham at the weekend with an AP setup im looking forward to the reduced pedal travel Smile

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Posted 8th Sep 2008 at 20:15
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I get 96.83% working it out? Unsure Dunno

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Posted 8th Sep 2008 at 20:32
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So it's the combined piston area for one side right? I may have that wrong Dunno That's 1.77" + 2.06" = 3.83" square

Normal is 3.93 i think Unsure

1% of 3.93 = 0.0393
3.83/0.0393 = 97.5 (1dp)

I dont really have a clue though mate so your probably right Laugh

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Posted 8th Sep 2008 at 20:55
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Well, I did it from the mm dimensions so there may be some lost in translation LOL:

Quick conversion for standard pistons gives me 3.97 square inches.

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Posted 8th Sep 2008 at 20:59
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Well, I did it from the mm dimensions so there may be some lost in translation LOL:

Quick conversion for standard pistons gives me 3.97 square inches.


Could be Yes I updated the post a bit above with the measurements in inches too, they were on the AP Racing diagram but at the time i thought mm was more relevant Doh

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Posted 8th Sep 2008 at 21:30
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*Small Update*

The brake discs and brake fluid have arrived so they are all set for fitting now Yes

With the help of Chris (matoski) i went for the OE Brembo 406 Coupe discs and i must say quality wise they definitly look the business, thanks once again Chris Thumbs up For the brake fluid i have a litre of Motul RBF 600, this fluid is a DOT4 fluid with excellent wet and dry boiling temps that rival and in some cases exceed various DOT 5.1 fluid along with the advantage of not needing to be changed so often.

I plan to get everything on the car over the weekend so i will update with some pics once i have it done Yes Smile

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Posted 16th Sep 2008 at 20:12
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No problem Tom, gald to help.

Can't wait to see the pics all built up.

Am I reading the thread right, you have a less clamp force than std calipers?

But you should have gains from the bigger pad area, and disc dia? But with more control because of the calipers?

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Posted 16th Sep 2008 at 20:53
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No problem Tom, gald to help.

Can't wait to see the pics all built up.

Am I reading the thread right, you have a less clamp force than std calipers?

But you should have gains from the bigger pad area, and disc dia? But with more control because of the calipers?



Something like that mate i think yeah Yes Im not really sure of the math but the calipers are the ones supplied by AP Racing for their 306 Road/Rally kits so they will be up to scratch Yes Guess i will be able to compare come monday Smile

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Posted 16th Sep 2008 at 21:01
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Am I reading the thread right, you have a less clamp force than std calipers?


Yep, but that's not a problem, it's only a function of master cylinder area vs piston area's anyway. You can get more clamp pressure by putting a smaller master cylinder on a standard setup.

He should have more leverage from the discs, less caliper deflection which will give a less pedal travel and more consistant braking.

The larger pad area will only really act as a larger heat sink for high speed braking, to help a little with pad temperatures, and it will reduce pad wear, the actual friction isn't affected much by pad area.
They'll wear more evenly too, and get less pad knock off, which'll reduce the pedal travel some more. They'll certainly feel far better just from that.

Which means you can go down on the master cylinder size if you want more power but with the same pedal travel.

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Posted 16th Sep 2008 at 22:22
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phillipm wrote:
matsoki wrote:

Am I reading the thread right, you have a less clamp force than std calipers?


Yep, but that's not a problem, it's only a function of master cylinder area vs piston area's anyway. You can get more clamp pressure by putting a smaller master cylinder on a standard setup.

He should have more leverage from the discs, less caliper deflection which will give a less pedal travel and more consistant braking.

The larger pad area will only really act as a larger heat sink for high speed braking, to help a little with pad temperatures, and it will reduce pad wear, the actual friction isn't affected much by pad area.
They'll wear more evenly too, and get less pad knock off, which'll reduce the pedal travel some more. They'll certainly feel far better just from that.

Which means you can go down on the master cylinder size if you want more power but with the same pedal travel.


Thanks Phil, good to know that info for the future Thumbs up

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Posted 17th Sep 2008 at 14:10
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Well, we'll find out shortly by the sound of it Big grin

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Posted 17th Sep 2008 at 15:59
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hows this going now?

test fitted yet? squeel?

Just wanted to know if the crossover pipes are original?

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Posted 22nd Sep 2008 at 22:13
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hows this going now?

test fitted yet? squeel?


LOL optimism
Posted 22nd Sep 2008 at 23:09
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slightly inquisitive...

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Posted 22nd Sep 2008 at 23:17
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On the phone here so will update tomorrow at work but yep they are fitted (mighty close though) and so far zero squeal although i have only tootled around until i can bed them in properly Yes Check back for an update tomorrow, they look sweet Devil My thumb hurts now Laugh

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Posted 23rd Sep 2008 at 00:11
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Happy Birthday Tom Cheers
Posted 23rd Sep 2008 at 00:57
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Happy Birthday
Happy Birthday mate, have a good one Cheers

Look forward to the pics Cool

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Posted 23rd Sep 2008 at 01:03
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Happy Birthday Cheers Hope you have a good one Tom.

Look forward to the update.
Posted 23rd Sep 2008 at 01:06
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Cheers guys, thought i would take the day off, cant stand working on my Birthday Laugh

Anyhow i have some pictures, sadly i only realised this morning that in my entusiasm to get them on and take the car for a spin i forgot to take some of them with the wheels on Doh Laugh Anyhow i will do that tonight Yes

Fitting was not that hard, i had some issues with a siezed nut on one of the brake lines but for some reason this decided to loosen itself over night to my surprise Smile I made a weekend of it and did the rears too so it was sort of a complete brake overhaul Yes

Anyhow here are some pics of the badboys all attached, i got funky with some yellow paint too Whistle









Now one caliper wasnt bleeding very quickly so i think it may have issues as it wasnt functioning that well on my test drive Doh I believe there may be a blockage going into the caliper somewhere but i will have to wait till the weekend before i can get a look at that Yes For now i have left the serious bedding in until i can get it fixed, once thats done i can start giving some decent feedback Yes

On another note while doing the fitting i realised the discs could probably go to 315mm quite easily on the current bracket and if i was to offset the whole lot like in Ash's kit i reckon i could go 330mm or perhaps slightly bigger, there is buckets of room further back although as Ash suggested i believe the balljoint would be a deciding factor as to how far back any disc could go Yes

Watch out for the pics with wheels tomorrow Thumbs up

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Posted 23rd Sep 2008 at 14:54
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Looks very tidy....... Love

The new black coating on the brembo dics look good too....

Get them wheels on.

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Posted 23rd Sep 2008 at 15:52
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where is that pop corn smiley when you need it

looking very tidy Yes

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