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 SteviePut
Seasoned Pro  Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
Post #326
How heavy are the stds Paul? Do you know? ________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
 Posted 22nd Nov 2008 at 19:20
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #327
~4.6kg for caliper, carrier and part-worn pads.Might be out a little as that was an old-kitchen scales job  How much do the wilwoods come in at? ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 22nd Nov 2008 at 19:39
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Welly
Forum Admin Location: Brizzle Registered: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,796 Status: Offline |
Post #328
Complete calipers with pads:Wilwoods 2.6kgs Stds 4.8kgs ________________________________________ Life is a lie. The only certainty of which is death. Go live and enjoy yourself. The clock is tickingVrs power!! |
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Posted 22nd Nov 2008 at 19:44
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #329
2 kilo's per side is a hell of a saving on unsprung weight,  *Checks bank balance* ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 22nd Nov 2008 at 19:53
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SteviePut
Seasoned Pro Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
Post #330
Just got the brackets etc. Cheers Paul Phil, how did you manage to get them so shiney? Must have been a very fine/slow finishing cut. Unless you've polished them??  ________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 22nd Nov 2008 at 20:22
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SteviePut
Seasoned Pro Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
Post #331
smegal wrote: SteviePut wrote: Edit: I've been looking through the RD catalogue and couldn't help noticing the Superlite 6-pot caliper has the same mounting centre measurements. Hmmmmmm  If only they had dust seals for the road. But do you really need them? Those AP's that, whats his name, has fitted didn;t have them did they? ________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 22nd Nov 2008 at 20:23
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #332
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Posted 22nd Nov 2008 at 20:39
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #333
SteviePut wrote: smegal wrote: SteviePut wrote: Edit: I've been looking through the RD catalogue and couldn't help noticing the Superlite 6-pot caliper has the same mounting centre measurements. Hmmmmmm If only they had dust seals for the road. But do you really need them? Those AP's that, whats his name, has fitted didn;t have them did they? Who me?  They did not have conventional dust shields by the looks of things but i spoke to a chap at ap racing and he assured me they did have seals to keep the dirt out  Anyhow i did some research on the topic and no you dont really need dust seals so they would be fine Would have thought you would require bigger disks though as although the mounting points are the same the offset of the caliper is most likely different ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 22nd Nov 2008 at 20:41
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SteviePut
Seasoned Pro Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
Post #334
rallyestyle wrote: SteviePut wrote: smegal wrote: SteviePut wrote: Edit: I've been looking through the RD catalogue and couldn't help noticing the Superlite 6-pot caliper has the same mounting centre measurements. Hmmmmmm If only they had dust seals for the road. But do you really need them? Those AP's that, whats his name, has fitted didn;t have them did they? Who me? They did not have conventional dust shields by the looks of things but i spoke to a chap at ap racing and he assured me they did have seals to keep the dirt out Anyhow i did some research on the topic and no you dont really need dust seals so they would be fine Would have thought you would require bigger disks though as although the mounting points are the same the offset of the caliper is most likely different I thought it was you tbh but I couldn't be arsed to look and didn't want to make myself look a pleb!!  ________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 22nd Nov 2008 at 20:44
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jose
Senior User  Location: W.London Registered: 05 Oct 2008 Posts: 675 Status: Offline |
Post #335
Hi,Have you done any investigation/ calculations/ FEA analysis into the stresses which are acting on the bracket under full braking load? Whats the maximum shear forces acting on the cross seaction of the bracket? and what factor of safety have you engineered into the bracket? I have access to ESDU charts if you want to use them. Jose ________________________________________ Nile Blue GTi6Alpine White 205 GTi 1.9 - Project Air Con Pipes Thread....... Machine Polishing - Paint Correction - Swirl Removal in West London - PM for details |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 03:11
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Welly
Forum Admin Location: Brizzle Registered: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,796 Status: Offline |
Post #336
jose wrote: Hi, Have you done any investigation/ calculations/ FEA analysis into the stresses which are acting on the bracket under full braking load? Whats the maximum shear forces acting on the cross seaction of the bracket? and what factor of safety have you engineered into the bracket? I have access to ESDU charts if you want to use them. Jose Pass, thats why i left Phil to do them as he knows much better than i do. ________________________________________ Life is a lie. The only certainty of which is death. Go live and enjoy yourself. The clock is tickingVrs power!! |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 03:39
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #337
Minimum strength shear failure around the bolt area would take 11.93ton-force, based on a 5x1,000,000,000 cycle length.Maximum brake loading based on the absolute maximum brake line pressure and .5cf pads, with -3 braided hose is 2.72 metric tons. (For interests sake predicted failure mode is never going to occur across that shear area, the bottom half of the bracket especially is almost entirely in tension, nominal predicted deformation strength is therefore 29.82tons, although the caliper mounting bolts would let go first) Nominal braking force given 1g of deceleration on the stock car is 885kg-force, dependent on car attitude. Slightly over-rated, I'd bet on the cast hub mounts going before the bracket did... The spare one has been under the press and checked to 10 tons, hence the marks from the jig around the bolts (not going to press on a caliper!) I can test it until failure if you want the figures? ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 04:14
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Welly
Forum Admin Location: Brizzle Registered: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,796 Status: Offline |
Post #338
nope thats fine by me ________________________________________ Life is a lie. The only certainty of which is death. Go live and enjoy yourself. The clock is tickingVrs power!! |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 04:12
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #339
The original one was more than strong enough tbh, but hey ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 04:13
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smegal
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #340
Got the fitting kit today. It looks SEXUAL. There is something rather aesthetically pleasing about well finished metal. Cant wait to get 'em fitted as soon as the spacers are made.  ________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 20:36
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psjunkie
Seasoned Pro  Location: Halifax Registered: 31 Aug 2007 Posts: 1,565 Status: Offline |
Post #341
got mine fitted on sunday! all i can say is awsome job welly a huge difference on the std setup. Just a pointer here lads when your fitting make sure you have a ¼" ring spanner for the bleed nipple i was fooked without one Was a tight squeeze behind the comps about 1mm clearance from front of caliper to back of spoke! EEEK! got piccy too but i cant get them onto the pc argh! ________________________________________ 1997 P1 Gti 6 Charged |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 21:19
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psjunkie
Seasoned Pro Location: Halifax Registered: 31 Aug 2007 Posts: 1,565 Status: Offline |
Post #342
Added some pics, sorry about the HUGE size !they are in this album.. as photobucket aint working properley so i cant get the direct IMG link pics i will sort some better pics out when its been washed/nicer day ________________________________________ 1997 P1 Gti 6 Charged |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 21:56
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #343
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 21:55
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psjunkie
Seasoned Pro Location: Halifax Registered: 31 Aug 2007 Posts: 1,565 Status: Offline |
Post #344
cheers bud________________________________________ 1997 P1 Gti 6 Charged |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 21:56
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SteviePut
Seasoned Pro Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
Post #345
I'm assuming they're fitted WITHOUT spacers??________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 22:53
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Welly
Forum Admin Location: Brizzle Registered: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,796 Status: Offline |
Post #346
Yeah i did mention that the bleed spanner was an odd size.They look sexual behind them Mo's. Really pleased you like them and they are working. ________________________________________ Life is a lie. The only certainty of which is death. Go live and enjoy yourself. The clock is tickingVrs power!! |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 23:16
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garry
Regular  Location: Crowland Registered: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 305 Status: Offline |
Post #347
Spacers list:1. walls99, money ready. 2. smegal, money ready. 3. bininoz money ready 4. Stevieput, money ready. 5. Garry, money ready (if they fit 205's) Do you know if these spacers will be suitable for the 205 Speedline/SMR alloys? ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 S |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 23:29
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Welly
Forum Admin Location: Brizzle Registered: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,796 Status: Offline |
Post #348
Ask Phil regarding spacers.I'll be honest i don't have any experience with the 205 wheels. But i'd imagine it would be ok as i have seen 306 with 205 wheels on ________________________________________ Life is a lie. The only certainty of which is death. Go live and enjoy yourself. The clock is tickingVrs power!! |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 23:31
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psjunkie
Seasoned Pro Location: Halifax Registered: 31 Aug 2007 Posts: 1,565 Status: Offline |
Post #349
 with the mo'sno spacers fitted at the moment they are very close im been sorted with some 3mm's though  just to bring them out a little.First impressions are awsome. didnt want to go too mad though untill i get them bled properly and made sure everything is sound and ok! When i removed my old caliper the pads litrally fell out think it was missing some clips haha  A bit blurry but heres another  ________________________________________ 1997 P1 Gti 6 Charged |
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Posted 24th Nov 2008 at 23:53
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SteviePut
Seasoned Pro Location: Down south Registered: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 13,637 Status: Offline |
Post #350
garry wrote: Spacers list: 1. walls99, money ready. 2. smegal, money ready. 3. bininoz money ready 4. Stevieput, money ready. 5. Garry, money ready (if they fit 205's) Do you know if these spacers will be suitable for the 205 Speedline/SMR alloys? Gary, when i get mine fitted I'll let you know as my track wheels are 205 alloys ________________________________________ My old man wrote me a letter from prison once. It said if you don't want to end up in here, stay away from crime, women and drugs. Trouble is, that don't leave you much else to do, does it? |
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Posted 25th Nov 2008 at 22:31
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