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phillipm

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Post #451
LOL

Had to be done!


Anyway, that seemed to fit so nicely just by the inlet manifold it seemed a shame not to use it:



However, the more we looked at the space in the bellhousing, the more we wondered...so we bit the bullet, chopped the new front mount for the gearbox back out, took the angle grinder to the bellhousing, and started moving things again...

Bellhousing, meet angle grinder, angle grinder, meet bellhousing.
And bring your friend TIG welder...



Redid the engine and gearbox mounts, which required even more frame surgery:





And as a comparison to where the old engine was, this is the old engine cage:

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 13:28
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Post #452
That looks the part now mate. Well done!

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 13:33
phillipm

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Post #453
Oh it gets better Big grin
Having had enough of chopping out old bits of the car, we decided to make more shiny new bits instead, and everyone loves a shiny exhaust, no?



It took quite a while to get the lengths and routing all right, there's about 2 weeks of evening work in this, even though most of it was sorted by the first two nights, tweaking and altering after that/finishing it off took a while!





As the gears are fairly wide in the van transaxle (haven't fitted that shorter gearset yet, needs lots of fettling to make the syncro's work with it), the lengths are set to bolster the bottom end and midrange torque rather than outright peak power.











That should be enough shiny exhaust pictures to keep anyone satisfied for a while.

And before you give me some stick over the welding, it's all secondhand tube, so it wasn't the cleanest thing to work with, and we couldn't be arsed with purging old tube, it's water tight so it'll do LOL
Excuse book page #3, paragraph #8.

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 13:36
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Post #454
Okay, one BIG disadvantage over the rotary engine, is the sump being so deep - reducing ground clearance - and needing a lot of oil control/baffles due to the constant jumping around. It being pretty vital to the engine reliability, Ed bit the bullet and spent some pennies on a dry sump pump rather than relying on sets of baffling, and we set about converting it, few issues along the way but we got there:





Yes, the belt is too long, we know. And yes, that is a bright pink mug of tea in the background.
This gave us a good 3+ inches more rear ground clearance, so hopefully the rear of the car won't take quite such a battering on steep/stepped drops like it did at Kirton.

And a shiny chunk of ally billet converted itself into a pulley. Magic, eh?

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 15:06
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Post #455
I hope you're doing a proper job, sod working on that when it's been running LOL

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 15:14
phillipm

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Post #456
Err, it's quite a tight fit.
Especially as some numpties moved the engine and transaxle 4 inches further forward and lost a s**tload of room in the engine bay as a result....

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 15:15
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Post #457
I was going to say, given what a bas**rd stainless manifolds are to make that the welding all looks pretty good.

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 15:47
phillipm

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Post #458
Well, at less than 60 quid for all the stainless to do it (including enough for the silencer), I ain't complaining Big grin

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 15:56
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Post #459
Was that dry sump from a bloke in the midlands - just noticed the RED on it? Race Engine Developments?

I'll be honest, the one thing that didn't seem to be missing at curborough that time was power...

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 18:20
phillipm

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Post #460
Yeah, first and last thing I buy from him...sump itself is great though.
Gearing was more an issue at curborough I think, nothing more power won't solve....

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Posted 19th Mar 2013 at 19:12
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Post #461
Was it incredibly slooooow to arrive? Tried to do some work for them once. Was like pulling teeth. Out of a chicken.

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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 13:04
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Post #462
Yep, and when it did, half the parts were missing and the pump was shagged, he'd not even checked it because it was immediately obvious, still waiting on some bits now...

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Posted 20th Mar 2013 at 13:06
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Post #463
Onwards....after fitting the supercharger on some temporary brackets, and tack welding the silencer up for it's final position, it quickly became obvious that our oversized 165 amp alternator wasn't going to fit in the stock location.
In fact, it wasn't going to fit anywhere we could get the belt drive on it, short of putting a gear on it and running it off the flywheel teeth...which resulted in a slightly poor solution of driving the alternator on a seperate belt that's also driven from the supercharger pulley, this might result in too much belt slip/wear, but it was the easiest way around it.
Well, the easiest way around it would be to fit one of the new starter/alternator all-in-one units, but the aftermarket versions of those at the minute bring a tear to the eye and a squeak to the voice when the invoice appears, so that was a no-go.
Try it and see method LOL

Did a couple of beer-mat sketches after mounting everything of the old bodywork vs roughly where the new will need to sit:





I, err, well, everyone knows big wing = racecar, and it kinda works:




Old rear with Mazda:



Possible new rear end:



And 2 minutes of sketching later....Big grin



But everyone knows, if some is good, more is better:




One problem with moving the engine and gearbox so far forward, is it didn't leave much room around the radiator/fan setup, so we ended up chopping those brackets off and moving the radiator up and forwards, not ideal, but cooling takes priority over CoG here:





You can also see how much ground clearance/departure angle we've gained, as that's the old engine cage, which used to have the topmost bar horizontal.

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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 00:33
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Post #464
Wow what an incredible craftsmanship on that exhaust. 8O You surely deserve the fame as a top mechanic, suspension, and all the other stuff expert here on the forum. Good luck with the rest and top work Thumbs up
Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 10:50
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Post #465
Will this thing do wheelies?

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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 11:43
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Post #466
Just a thought, some ideas for the bodywork.



Big bling 22" rears, 20" fronts. Even through the mud you KNOW dat-bling gonna get all dem b**ches all ova yo' s**t. Also super low-profile tyres for extra grip when cornering hard - if you've got no sidewalls, how can you have problems with lateral sidewall flex and understeer, eh? Logical thinking!

F1 inspired ram-air intake, sidepods and stepped-nose & front wing. 11 teams with multi-million dollar budgets all coming up with the exact same solutions - something about them must be working!

Top fuel dragster exhausts. If they're good enough for 8000bhp on a drag car, they're good enough for everyone else!

Spoiler on the lip of the boot to reduce the air flow velocity over the top of the vehicle, reducing lift and keeping you stable at autobahn speeds - something not even the TT's engineer at Audi thought of!

Bars on your windows, because with those rims you're bound to get some unwanted attention, specially in Rotherham centre on a Saturday night.

Also a forward-facing minigun with a 120* rotating hub connected to the driver's visor, same as they use in the A10 Warthog - If the pilot can see it, he can shoot it!

Last but not least, oil slicks out the back, for when the mud trenches you're driving through just aren't slippery enough, just a little something to lay down on the braking zones to keep your competitors behind you.

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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 11:46
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Post #467
I'll, errr, think about those.

You may want to change your dealer though, that's weird s**t.

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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 12:01
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Post #468
Dealer? If only I had that excuse. That's the result of a sleepless night finishing a report last-minute and a lot of pro plus. It's also probably the most productive 5 minutes I've had all night too!

But seriously, think about the air intake and stepped nose... And maybe the drag racer exhausts. The rest are just luxury items, really.

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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 12:09
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Post #469
Putting the exhaust out of the side/roof with 4 pipes would have made things a lot easier LOL

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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 12:35
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Post #470
Not such a ridiculous stoner idea after all! You could probably even reuse some of those tubes to make it too. Big grin

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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 12:51
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Post #471
I'm not too sure the scrutineer would like it.

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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 13:12
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Post #472
"Oh, those flame spitting pipes? They're just part of our in-built petrol-powered space heater to keep us warm when we're fixing it between stages in the rain."

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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 13:23
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Post #473
What, you don't mean it'll break down do you?
Never happen, it's always been 100% reliable (at being on a trailer before the event finishes)

Okay, another update before you all get bored of seeing it Big grin

Bit more of the plumbing and mountings were finished, yes, I know, the outlet on the charger and the inlet to the plenum aren't great, but it's a case of make something quickly that will work well enough for those pieces, as they can be easily upgraded later on when we have more time spare:



You can also see the fun we're having with the alternator...



It was starting to look a bit tight in there even with the old cage on, so we cracked on with making a new one (against, out of T45 tube - you never know if someone is going to give you a love tap up the rear...)
As the dry sump has lots of clearance in the middle between the fittings, we went a little more substantial with the under-engine guards this time, as we were forever beating the old ally sump plates back straight after events, it's only thin-wall tube so it weighs very little and gives a lot more stiffness behind the sump guards:



Oh yes, we mocked up the silencer there too, just about fits :hehe:

And the new engine cage from the side:



It shows pretty well how much extra clearance we've gained from moving the transaxle/engine/shortening the bellhousing and tilting the transmission slightly (now there's no torsion housing tube in the way).
Unfortunate side effect is the centre of gravity is going to be higher at the rear of course, but needs must.


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Posted 21st Mar 2013 at 14:56
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Post #474
Only place big enough for the airbox, means a bit of reworking of the bulkhead though. For the moment it's going to draw from the main roof-fed airbox, but it'll probably get a seperate feed from the side scoops once we get chance:



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Posted 22nd Mar 2013 at 01:40
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Post #475
Old dashboard got ripped out along with the wiring, to make room for some additional instruments and a new dash:





Still needs a rub down with some sandpaper and a brushed finish creating to keep reflections down, plus waiting on a few more electrical/gauge bits, but:





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Posted 22nd Mar 2013 at 19:36

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