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 mabgti
NV motors  Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
Post #376
looking good... but did the btcc have the induction piping to the left?________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
 Posted 23rd Aug 2010 at 05:00
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spiky
Seasoned Pro  Location: Cardiff Registered: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,310 Status: Offline |
Post #377
not by this pichttp://www.openpitlane.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=140374 if you fancy selling it, to buy a right hand one, i may know someone interested  ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP  268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 23rd Aug 2010 at 12:38
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roberts_306
Senior User  Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
Post #378
Got new map from Daveyboy uploaded today, runs a lot better now.Carl took it for its MOT and it has passed I have 2 small problems with the Jenvey. 1) Backfires through the exhaust after lift off 2) Pops through the Jenveys on idle Spoke to Omex they said to balance the bodies and adjust the map slightly. ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 23rd Aug 2010 at 22:30
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #379
sounds like it needs tweeking________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 23rd Aug 2010 at 22:55
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER**  Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
Post #380
it will backfire through exhaust on lift off slightly but the bodies may be out of balance??? |
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Posted 23rd Aug 2010 at 23:36
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
Post #381
UpdateOmex have tweeked the 0% High engine Speed (Overrun) area. They also said the Throttle Bodies will need balancing, hopefully this will correct the problems. I wonder what Bhp increase I have? Hopefully it will be near the 200 mark if not plan B will have to come into operation, ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 00:22
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #382
whats the rest of the spec without the tb's?standard engines with bodies make somwhere in the regon of 185@fly ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 01:21
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mabgti
NV motors Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
Post #383
balancing in what way? you run a single cable to muli butterfly loop yes?i've got a feeling it will be injector timing  and 0% overrun will mean harsher off throttle under load. ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 01:22
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
Post #384
rallyeash wrote: whats the rest of the spec without the tb's? standard engines with bodies make somwhere in the regon of 185@fly Its got a Magnex Decat, and 3" Straight through exhaust. ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 01:46
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
Post #385
mabgti wrote: balancing in what way? you run a single cable to muli butterfly loop yes? i've got a feeling it will be injector timing and 0% overrun will mean harsher off throttle under load. Sorry this is what Omex said See the attached calibration. I have increased ignition timing in the 0%thottle, high engine speed (overrun) area. Do a File | Compare to see exactly what I have done. This will not affect the performance in any way. The pops on idle will almost certainly be the throttle bodies needing balancing. Best regards Andy Cornock Omex Technology ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 01:47
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
Post #386
It's pretty easy to Balance the bodies when fitting, this is a must before anything is done really or you will never know where you are with one side being different to the other. You can measure them to start and either listen by ear (Old timers method and best) of use a Balancer guage which Omex etc supply.On the power front as said anywhere from 170 to 180 I;d say from experance (Rollers depending of course) I;ve done a back to back, abit on a tuned Mi engine both came in with the same power and torque 185bhp (Cannot recall torque fiqure) but one had the std 6 inlet and the other 45mm bodies both mapped at Emerald. Other silly point, De-cat and it passed the MOT or was this done with the CAT fitted? ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 03:24
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #387
Basicly one set of bodies is more open than thew other pair, you need to fiddle with the adjustment screw on the link mechanism between the two pairs of bodies. This is a bit of a fiddle but as Miles says it is vital. Get a foot of garden hose and put one end to your ear, then the other end into one pair of trumpets (does'nt matter which you start with as either PAIR are linked) listen to the sound between each pair of trumpets, if you alternate quickly you should be able to hear the imbalance. Adjust the screw until they both sound the same, if you have access to a carb balancing meter this job is a piece of p*ss, but good results can be had by ear if you are careful.As for power, on a standard lump with just bodies you can expect something more like this...  ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 03:38
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #388
miles wrote: Other silly point, De-cat and it passed the MOT or was this done with the CAT fitted?   ________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 04:37
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro  Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #389
rikky wrote: miles wrote: Other silly point, De-cat and it passed the MOT or was this done with the CAT fitted? Cat was back on for MOT  as for the problems, if watch the trumpets its popping in all 4 of them, so points to timing I would think? All are balanced on a flow gauge? will try the new map from Omex but ideally will need a tweak on a rolling road I would think? All this just to get 180bhp seems a waste of time and a lots of money to me! My GTi-6 205 has 178bhp with the standard managment and inlet! ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 12:42
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #390
gkz 206 wrote: All this just to get 180bhp seems a waste of time and a lots of money to me! My GTi-6 205 has 178bhp with the standard managment and inlet! I know, but yet people still do it  Must be the noise they do it for  ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 16:52
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mabgti
NV motors Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
Post #391
it sounds and drives differetn.. bit pointless when the rs inlet is a work of art!________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 18:06
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
Post #392
I would be happy with 180 Bhp for the moment until I have funds to do cams and engine work.The supercharger gave me massive power but did not sound like a touring car so was pointless ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 21:43
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #393
Touring cars didn't have throttle bodies to start with! Its just most owners have moved to them for the extra 3bhp you get.________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 22:33
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
Post #394
So basically 3bhp cost well in excess of £2000 good value for money NOT!________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 23:19
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #395
Well, I got 5bhp, so much better value! For 260bhp+ you need to spend another £2k+ on the base touring car engine. Mainly headwork, but different pistons are needed too.________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 24th Aug 2010 at 23:58
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #396
and ditch half of the engine bay bits what did chris bowen do with his ex btcc lump? just a thought ________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 25th Aug 2010 at 00:01
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #397
ive got his throttle bodies anyway...________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 25th Aug 2010 at 00:43
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER** Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
Post #398
bowen run it low on oil ad blew it up lol |
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Posted 25th Aug 2010 at 00:50
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #399
Well the tweaked map from Omex has improved it no end, no more popping back on idle.double checked the balance today with a flow meter and its spot on. think its got to go on the rollers for the final tweaks and it will be there as its still not 100%, its alot better than it first was but gone as far as I can really. but cost-bhp is not good not unless further engine work is done, so get saving now Dave  does sound good though ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 25th Aug 2010 at 02:15
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mabgti
NV motors Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
Post #400
bowens was a high comp mi16..________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
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Posted 25th Aug 2010 at 02:22
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