You know exactly what I mean seb. It's phil's design, not yours. Except you're missing a few important bits.

Good luck selling them.

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Funny how he feels differently then isn't it?

"I've got no issues with him using mine as a template for the sizes and making his own bracket, I do have issues with it being brazenly copied outright given the work/time I did in FEA to make sure they were both lighter and had better fatigue life...
I hope they've........ ,....though because if not some poor bas**rds are going to have a shock when they get older."

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Anyway he's not going to pay to join again. I suggest you man up, stop calling me things and talk to him.

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also.
1. I am being a man and have spoken to him when he was a member he is on this thread nothing has been done in secret or underhand etc.

2. as said I have contacted him when he was a member but if I am as you say to man up and speak to him how can I do that if he will not re join.

I have done nothing wrong or offens I've or secret this has been going on for months if he did not want me to copy them he should have said so at the start he had enough time and oportunity funny how you "the man" are now piping up at me being a c**t for no reason

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Thanks mate much appreciated

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If he answers these we will know.

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need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.com

Bring on the Trumpets.

They have been made out of aircraft grade aluminium which has been clear hard coat anodised 20 microns thick, threads have been tapped, rolling would not make any difference

this is a multi million pound company making these and the owners personal track car is a 750bhp Honda s2000 and he has made brake brackets of the same material and in the exact same way for his car. (They are not in the business of making dangerous products.

p.s the ones that are on my car that Phil made were not even anodised and I will put a photo of them up they have not aged well they are corroded badly.

pps. they don't even need to have thread in them in all honesty as the brackets bolt to the hubs using the thread in the hub and the bolt that goes into the caliper has a shoulder inside the bracket thread so pointless having a thread personally but they are in there none the less

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You've just cost me a fiver to come on here and refute this bo***cks

1 - You're telling me that the threads don't need to be formed as it makes no difference - that being cut is fine, yet you can't work out that the bolt goes in from the caliper side and threads into the bracket. No the shoulder doesn't fit in the thread on the bracket, no the caliper isn't threaded, yes, you're holding it upside down.

2 - You did none of the design, FEA or the hand calculations I did to confirm the fatigue strength of the bracket (which is all in the original thread, and is mentioned over on OC where someone else was going to make their own bracket based off mine, it's not stuff I'm making up just now, go back and have a look), yet you know that the threads being cut makes no difference?

I can assure you it does, have a look at my brackets, they're all rolled, and they're rolled for a reason - or do you think I spent money on tooling to do it for fun? I would have sent you the taps to do it if you'd asked for nothing.
Those first few threads there are the most stressed part of the bracket by far, and the fatigue life IS NOT ACCEPTABLE without them either being rolled with a generous root radius, or having helicoils inserted from the start, they will have trouble a few years down the line with fatigue.
I chose the former as people were sorting their own anodising out so it was no good having steel in there as it dissolves in the anodising bath.


3 - surface fur because they're not anodised - see above - I offered anodising, most weren't bothered, some wanted differing colours so Welly just asked for them all as is and let people sort it out themselves.


4 -


At £120 a pair someone is making half a grand somewhere even with jigs and setup given they got a free ride on the design.

5 -

How would he know what's dangerous about it? He didn't do the design!
And that leads onto the other question - does he own the CAD model from copying my bracket, or do you? Do I have two people now making commercial use of my IP?

6 - There's a good reason I'm annoyed, you know that above, the use of my IP without permission? My business is fabrication, I'm setting back up machining when I get a new CNC mill shortly, if one person does it now with my knowledge if I don't protect it, that gives anyone in future carte-blanche to use the design or derivatives of it because it loses most of the copyright protections.
I've been in this position with stolen diff/uprights, etc, before and it's unbelievable hassle.

7 - In addition to the above, when someone has a caliper come loose a few years down the line, maybe after they've changed hands, and the brackets look exactly the same as my designs, and I own the IP - who do you think it's going to come back to first?
I've been in this one too with the above - someone died - and I don't need that sort of stress again as it took ages to prove it wasn't our product but a copy made by a machining firm.



I'm going to add a second part to this, so don't get your knickers in a twist just yet, but I can sort the above and protect the IP for myself, but frankly, I'm in the middle of trying to make some billet steering racks ASAP and my takeaway has just turned up so I'll add it later - this would have been a lot easier if you'd just said "Sorry Phill, can't wait on you finding the design out, we're going to do a straight copy of your bracket is that okay?"
In which case a simple form for indemnity/limited licence and some identifying markings on the brackets would mean I wouldn't have given a flying monkey how you made them after that. Or just made your own design from the pickup points on mine.


There's a good reason I didn't give you the G-code as it was useless to you without me there to pull all the jig and tool offsets out, it's no use to anyone without that, as any machinist on here will tell you. Which is why I didn't bother until I found the model out.

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No he will keep your CAD design he has just copied them I clean his windows and he has a business that does this. he is chargubg 120 a pair as he had to copy them due to not having a file which I asked you for several times and you never replied or responded to me. well whoever fitted them to my car had bolted the bolt through the bracket and into the caliper.

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If you read the earlier posts in the thread when you said you were making some I said you'd be better using similar to Welly's design rather than my own as it would be far cheaper to make - I.E. I expected you were going to make your own.

I'll message you later, but can you:

1 - Mark them indelibly some way, even if you engrave 'Phil's a c**t' in 'em
2 - Find out whether you or him own the CAD file/model.
3 - For gods sake helicoil those bolt holes when you get them back from anodising. Sure they're strong enough, but they might not be after a few thousand loading cycles.

For future reference not hearing back from someone doesn't mean you can just nick their design, it means you make a different one
Like I said, I have no issue with anyone taking my bracket and using it to base their own bracket on, I have no problem with helping people out with tips when doing it. I don't even mind losing the revenue to an alternative design - I'll make better ones after christmas when my new machine arrives anyway.

The problem is exact replicas of my brackets popping up causes me legal issues in future. Especially when they've been made commercially by another firm and they get to make money out of my work. And I get headaches like this s**t to sort.

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it had not lapsed at the point I was pm him he was still commenting on here just not responding to me. anyway I'm tired of this conversation I will have them marked and will make sure they are strong enough and safe

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personally I do not even see it necessary that they even hace threads the bolt goes through the bracket into the hub and then the other bolt goes through the bracket into the caliper. all the bracket does is allow you to mount a caliper onto the hub that would not normally fit because the holes are at the wrong angle. If it is strong enough it should make no bloody difference it's just a glorified spacer

and as said they are strong enough.

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You don't need a nut on the other side the hub has thread in and the caliper has thread in. that is how they are ony car and they keep tight perfectly well on track and fast road. I will happily drill the threads of mine out to prove the point and also when the new brackets are done I will be swapping to those as they are anodised and will last longer. They are aircraft grade aluminium coated 20 microns deep they are capable of withstanding great heat and preasure they will be fine. I will have them market/engraved with a penis so they are different to yours.

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