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Can you run a dump valve on a LB SC ?________________________________________
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 manthos
Seasoned Pro  Location: Norwich Registered: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,966 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 20:16
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
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I believe you could but it would involve changing the throttle position and boost pipe runs and having the car remapped by Chip wizards as Wayne has now worked out a way of making the ecu see boost!Probably cost you 1.5k maybe cheaper if you had a standalone ecu you could use ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 21st Apr 2016 at 23:25
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manthos
Seasoned Pro Location: Norwich Registered: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,966 Status: Offline |
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I want to get a stand alone ecu. I know Stan has done it on his super high boost but want to do it to my low boost I get tomorrow ________________________________________ Team SUPERCHARGED I LIVE FOR THE 306 Old Project thread Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url = |
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Posted 21st Apr 2016 at 23:26
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manthos
Seasoned Pro Location: Norwich Registered: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,966 Status: Offline |
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Happy Birthday Superchargedblack1997gti6________________________________________ Team SUPERCHARGED I LIVE FOR THE 306 Old Project thread Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url = |
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Posted 22nd Apr 2016 at 07:10
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
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If you want any pictures of my setup mate just ask as I run slightly newer supercharger than Stans,and I don't recirculate my Bov mine is a true dump valve. Cheers mate ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 22nd Apr 2016 at 09:39
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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why would it cost £1500 to fit a bov?!granted a few bits need moving about few pipes etc, and a map to suit, but 1500?! ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 22nd Apr 2016 at 10:33
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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Is it needed on a low boost? They recirculate anyway so you don't get the noise if that's what you are after?________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 22nd Apr 2016 at 10:44
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
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Bov £140 to suit supercharged. Pipe work changes press throttle body of supercharger£80 have inlet modified to suit throttle body on inlet rather than on supercharger £80 pipe work changes £100. Adjust wiring to suit new throttle body location £25 remap ecu £500 standalone ecu £500 quite easy to see £1500. To be fair if you did it all yourself could possibly get it all done for £850. I was quoting getting somebody to do it for you  You're changing a lot of the setup to add a Bov as at the moment it's a draw through setup and you would be changing it to a blow through ! ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 22nd Apr 2016 at 11:08
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
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Yup as Ross says you would have to change an awful lot to make it work like that all for a TSSSHHHH noise.... you could buy one of those crappy Chinese speakers that has a switch on the throttle pedal that plays the TSHHHH noise every time you let your foot off out of a little speaker if it makes you feel better? The aftermarket management means you could map more accurately with boost etc and potentially get more power but they are proven reliable at the power they currently make and a very smooth map for a generic one so not worth the effort IMO. ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 22nd Apr 2016 at 12:30
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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i paid nowhere near 500 for mapping.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 22nd Apr 2016 at 14:05
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Day666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: i paid nowhere near 500 for mapping. Sadly Mei I've spoken to that Chip Wizard / Wayne guy when I had a 5minute thought about going HB S/C & he may or may not be good ....but I thought he was having a laugh at the prices he quoted me ! Yes he may know Rich Ws stuff & be a good bloke & put a load of R&D & time into opening & sorting S/C -6 maps out but it felt like he was trying to charge me for everyone else's map time ...seeing as he has a 80% map for all his work done before starting he's got a good base start ....Wayne said that by his own admission .. |
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Posted 22nd Apr 2016 at 14:21
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: i paid nowhere near 500 for mapping. Sadly Mei I've spoken to that Chip Wizard / Wayne guy when I had a 5minute thought about going HB S/C & he may or may not be good ....but I thought he was having a laugh at the prices he quoted me ! Yes he may know Rich Ws stuff & be a good bloke & put a load of R&D & time into opening & sorting S/C -6 maps out but it felt like he was trying to charge me for everyone else's map time ...seeing as he has a 80% map for all his work done before starting he's got a good base start ....Wayne said that by his own admission .. |
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Posted 22nd Apr 2016 at 14:23
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manthos
Seasoned Pro Location: Norwich Registered: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,966 Status: Offline |
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so to revive this..... I have decided I am going stand alone ecu on the low boost it will definitely be worth it even if I do not move the tb to install a dump valve I may just put an aftermarket ecu on and leave setup as is otherwise, this will allow me to be able to refine the map perfectly and read boost. ________________________________________ Team SUPERCHARGED I LIVE FOR THE 306 Old Project thread Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url = |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 20:14
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roland rat
Yeeeah Rat fans!  Location: Swansea Registered: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 22,284 Status: Offline |
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Really don't see the point of pumping all that cash for no real gainsI'd rather use the cash towards high boost |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 20:41
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
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Mind me asking why you're going to all that effort and expense?Mine is a blow through setup on mine, which i quite like but it feels a bit savage even at low power, with small amounts of throttle open so the dump valve is open and venting there isnt a lot of power there, if you press the throttle a bit more and its enough for the dump valve to close and get some boost it can be a bit much power trying to get to the wheels if you know what i mean. I havent driven a LBSC car but i'd imagine a draw through setup might be a bit more linear with its power delivery. Just my 2P's worth anyway.  ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 20:42
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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roland rat wrote: Really don't see the point of pumping all that cash for no real gains I'd rather use the cash towards a proper fast car  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 20:46
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stef306
Regular  Location: lyme regis Registered: 20 Sep 2009 Posts: 201 Status: Offline |
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its worth adding dump valves that are springed for turbo applications will behave all wrong on a supercharged setup. The springs in a turbo dv are to heavy and will shut far to early giving a pulsy feel on part throttle. My tial 50mm bov has a 2psi spring in designed for blowers makes the throttle response much nice just like a n/a engine. ________________________________________ 1990 205 gti6 supercharged |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 20:51
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
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stef306 wrote: its worth adding dump valves that are springed for turbo applications will behave all wrong on a supercharged setup. The springs in a turbo dv are to heavy and will shut far to early giving a pulsy feel on part throttle. My tial 50mm bov has a 2psi spring in designed for blowers makes the throttle response much nice just like a n/a engine. Yeah, should have said, i'm running the same dump valve as you with a 2psi spring. I'd say the throttle response isnt bad but on mine it's definitely not as linear as n/a or probably a rotrex setup. ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 20:59
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manthos
Seasoned Pro Location: Norwich Registered: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,966 Status: Offline |
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Thread is no longer about dump valve I am thinking of not installing a dump valve and leaving it as a pull through I want to add stand alone management onlyAsh.... I would prefer to spend the money on stand alone ecu on a low boost than go high boost I don't see the point in high boost. 250bhp with a LSD and good suspension set up is more than enough for a 306 ________________________________________ Team SUPERCHARGED I LIVE FOR THE 306 Old Project thread Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url = |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 21:18
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
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Why are you wanting standalone?It soon gets very expensive if you take this route for almost no gains, my ecu was ~£600, i chucked around £300 at all the connectors and wiring to make my own loom then theres the cost of mapping on top, and the inconvenience of having to get the car to the mappers on a base map or towing it there. I can see the desire for standalone if you have future plans for modifications so want small tweaks doing to the map which would be much cheaper than trying to get a session booked with wayne, but it doesnt sound like you want to do much more to the engine?  ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 21:33
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manthos
Seasoned Pro Location: Norwich Registered: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,966 Status: Offline |
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Because the kit rich made is great but all engines are slightly different and the map is a universal map but if I had a stand alone ecu I could have the map tweek es perfectly. Iron out any creases, read boost, map, have live maps if I want to runt 2 or 3 maps off a switch (track, road, pop and bang) there are lots of benefits ________________________________________ Team SUPERCHARGED I LIVE FOR THE 306 Old Project thread Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url = |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 22:28
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro  Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
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The gains just arent worth it. The ecu u can use wpuld be an emerald________________________________________ |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 22:46
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pug_306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Great Hockham Registered: 28 May 2013 Posts: 1,592 Status: Offline |
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And dave walker isn't too far from you if you went the emerald route________________________________________ 1998 Supercharged White Rallye1992 205 GTi6 205 Turbo 340bhp |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 22:48
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manthos
Seasoned Pro Location: Norwich Registered: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,966 Status: Offline |
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Yes emerald is exactly what u was thinking and dave is only down the road, going to call him tomorrow ________________________________________ Team SUPERCHARGED I LIVE FOR THE 306 Old Project thread Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url = |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 23:03
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manthos
Seasoned Pro Location: Norwich Registered: 29 Apr 2009 Posts: 1,966 Status: Offline |
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It's not about the gains it's about the benefits of having a better, smoother more accurate map that can read the set up fully and feedback imformationwell worth a grand ________________________________________ Team SUPERCHARGED I LIVE FOR THE 306 Old Project thread Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url = |
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Posted 12th Oct 2016 at 23:04
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