Post #51
standard reg will run both just fine, no reason to run it separately, just wasting money________________________________________
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 welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 19th May 2015 at 21:22
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #52
How do you pipe it up? Only way I can see is through the outer rail then into the standard rail. Personally I wouldn't do that, I'd run the rails in parallel to ensure an even pressure at every injector, then link both returns together before going to the reg. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 19th May 2015 at 23:29
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Day666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #53
You guys are brilliant!!!!Thank you Pete !!!!! This is why I come on here ...all your help & ideas are greatly appreciated  Ash has been amazing also & sold me his own 2nd hand 330 Rotors off his car as mine are Fooked when I went to change the pads yesterday 5mm on each side left & drivers side has a 1mm stone grove ....HiSpec said 7-10days to make a set & they should be 7mm on each & very min 5mm ...I don't have 10 days to wait  Big thank you to Ash & great price  |
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Posted 21st May 2015 at 22:55
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #54
you only get a pressure drop if the pump is fooked or the wrong one.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 20th May 2015 at 07:02
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: you only get a pressure drop if the pump is fooked or the wrong one. I'm seriously considering Mei on doing a small swirl pot with another pump now ????.....as next 12months with my other engine I may need it ? I don't want to have fuel problems when it gets mapped in 12-14 days ....you had small probs didn't you & changed your tank pump ... What do you think ? My car is US at mo ...no inlet or loom so I have the time ????....ideas please Happy Birthday Mei |
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Posted 20th May 2015 at 07:13
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #56
I only had a problem as it was 23 years old!________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 20th May 2015 at 07:21
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: I only had a problem as it was 23 years old!  ok |
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Posted 20th May 2015 at 07:24
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #58
Fuel rails & stepped backplate arrived today ...All I have to wait for is Loom / Inlet / x4 extra 6 injectors/ FPR 3bar ! Thanks guys for all your knowledge...please keep it coming Trumpets & air filter will have to wait & see how much room I have ? Day666 has attached the following image: |
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Posted 21st May 2015 at 12:02
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #59
why two alloy  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 21st May 2015 at 14:25
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #60
welshpug! wrote: why two alloy Because I didn't pay anything for them Got lots of spares Thank you again Mei for advice ...I did mess up ...sorted now !!!! |
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Posted 21st May 2015 at 22:54
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
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jeffers wrote: Day666 wrote: welshpug! wrote: why did you buy the whole kit? all you needed were the bodies and TPS if you're getting a satchell inlet and trumpets!! Paid £50 more for the kit than it worked out separate for Inlet & short trumpets ? I thought the Inlet was Exchange & he modded them ????? Standard inlets are what Colin Modifies, i believe the Jenvey one is too short to do anything with..... Thanks Lee Sorted it now . |
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Posted 21st May 2015 at 22:52
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #62
jorg wrote: it's a GTi-6 inlet manifold you send off to Colin to be modified Thanks Geoff Colin's doing it today / tomorrow |
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Posted 21st May 2015 at 22:52
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #63
Right here goes Stnd Fuel rail at front on Satchell modified inlet . Stnd 4 injectors cleaned & tested going into stnd place & using stnd fuel rail & FPR Told these can handle 230-240 ? Jenvey 91mm bodies with Jenvey billet fuel rail with another x4 stnd cleaned tested injectors to match front set into bodies Then linking off front rail & out back into Front FPR into tank as Backplate stepped thanks to comment Trumpets & air filter have to wait until I see what room I have ??? Sandy said one FPR will do & stnd one can cope as many of you have said ... Also as Mei said check old pump is good as it will cope easily only if it's not worn to much ? £97 & comes with sender if not ? Put a new fuel filter on £10.00 & new Sandy Loom with x8 injector & s**t taken out & a 8v 106 coil pack with new leads & a new set of plugs ... Not Forgetting New TPS fitted onto Jenvey bodies ...... Have a 3amp plug fitted one at mo that Sandy is testing & looking at ?? Only because some have had problems with P&G ones ???? Full Map & hopefully bingo Hopefully somewhere near it then ?? |
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Posted 22nd May 2015 at 09:48
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #64
yep, pretty close now.I use 90mm trumpets with the same body and manifold, could probably squeeze longer in if needed but I thonk the tract length is about right. I would get a walbro replacement from torques.co.uk £70, you may need to adapt some fittings to get it fitted, or might not, some o.e pumps are walbro already but lower flow, if working they are sufficient though. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 22nd May 2015 at 09:47
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
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Saw you did a brill job on your Pump May just change mine to be safe !!! Also my friend only does Diesal injector cleaning ?? I'm using that place in Devizes to do my 8 ....not cheap but better than buying new ??? Big Thanks to ROSS for sorting x4 more injectors out Mei I've got Ashs Rotors & new pads ..discs to fit they were well past there limit ...Ashs are 5mm thicker like new !!! Finish off Centre console & I collected modified Leather gear gator to fit back on ..  Then almost there ??? Should be enough to do seeing as I work 6-7 days a week & only have until First week next month FCS with x2 two Combe track open pit lane paid ...  Mei what make are the stnd 6 injectors FAQ Or does it vary ? Code for my car main dealer is 198498 |
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Posted 22nd May 2015 at 10:14
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RallyeP6
Regular  Location: West Byfleet Registered: 11 Jul 2013 Posts: 451 Status: Offline |
Post #66
I thought that the Penny and Giles sensors would be the most reliable, my Colvern was giving intermittent readings at the throttle stop position. I'll post a pic of my 8 valve 8 Injector Gti engine when i get home. |
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Posted 22nd May 2015 at 11:33
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #67
gti6 injectors are all weber iw204's green top metal body, 265cc @3 bar.I have some iwp042's to get checked as well. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 22nd May 2015 at 11:39
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #68
RallyeP6 wrote: I thought that the Penny and Giles sensors would be the most reliable, my Colvern was giving intermittent readings at the throttle stop position. I'll post a pic of my 8 valve 8 Injector Gti engine when i get home. Rouben ...Sandy Brown has said to me He had problems with P&G didn't say what model .... I also was led to believe they were the best ?.... Batches & companies do get complacent though !!! Please do post some pics Also best place to source a 8v coil pack & best leads / lengths ??? |
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Posted 22nd May 2015 at 12:53
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RallyeP6
Regular Location: West Byfleet Registered: 11 Jul 2013 Posts: 451 Status: Offline |
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Day666 wrote: RallyeP6 wrote: I thought that the Penny and Giles sensors would be the most reliable, my Colvern was giving intermittent readings at the throttle stop position. I'll post a pic of my 8 valve 8 Injector Gti engine when i get home. Rouben ...Sandy Brown has said to me He had problems with P&G didn't say what model .... I also was led to believe they were the best ?.... Batches & companies do get complacent though !!! Please do post some pics Also best place to source a 8v coil pack & best leads / lengths ???  The fuel comes in to the regulator, out of the regulator onto the first original rail, out of the end of the rail, joins a T piece, one side of the T supplies the second rail, the other side of the T returns to the tank. Only one regulator needed. I did have another fitted to the end of the second rail, but took it off as it wasn't needed. Here in the my old Bx:  Coil i am using on my Gti6 is from a Peugeot 605/Citroen XM with plug leads from a Vauxhall (calibra or vectra?) V6 i think. Someone on the forum mentioned using Corsa leads also. I only chose the V6 leads as my coil is mounted near the battery and i could choose the right length of leads from the set of six. |
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Posted 23rd May 2015 at 12:07
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #70
Just had to see how much room I have ?Fitted Temp . Day666 has attached the following image: |
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Posted 27th May 2015 at 21:09
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #71
180mm from inside airfilter housing to Nissan Radiator Loads of room !!! Sandy said 70mm-80 trumpets even with air filter lots of room & putting alloy thin plate under airfilter to stop hot air from radiatior going directly into filer 70mm trumpets only stick out of stepped filter housing by 30mm ..Jenvey said filter needs to Stick out past trumpets by 30mm ? So narrow filter will do Day666 has attached the following image: |
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Posted 27th May 2015 at 21:19
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blandy
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bucks Registered: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,437 Status: Offline |
Post #72
You'll have a lot less room with the satchel manifold if you go down that route |
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Posted 27th May 2015 at 21:17
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #73
blandy wrote: You'll have a lot less room with the satchel manifold if you go down that route That is a Satchell inlet on there !!!!! Just never had it so Jenvey is upside down ...& kept the injectors all on top Sandy said & Colin stated the main reason for welding the inlet upside down was for the 205 where space ontop of the Jenveys would hit the bonnet & not a problem with 306 The power diff is nothing ? Orange gaffer tape over standard injector holes to stop s**t entering |
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Posted 27th May 2015 at 21:41
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Day666
Seasoned Pro Location: Bristol Registered: 20 Apr 2013 Posts: 5,214 Status: Offline |
Post #74
Amazing company & amazing people thank you Mei for all your info I'm a convert !!!! Also thankyou Miles for all your help Day666 has attached the following image: |
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Posted 27th May 2015 at 21:32
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #75
yup, I have 90mm trumpets, just because I didn't know what size to get really, seems to work nicely, if you're going for 70mm trumpets then a 65mm deep ITG filter will do nicely, you'd get away with 80mm under it too as they say a minimum of 19mm but preferably 32mm.ITG-JC50-65 next one up is 100mm deep, overall height of all these type are 25mm more than the internal height. https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/itg-megaflow-air-filter-jc50-itg-jc50 Also, Sandy posted this regarding the upside down injectors, its not just about space. quote: Colin will make the manifolds with the bodies the normal way up if you wish, but the reason I switched to mounting these upside down, is through my development. The injectors are nowhere near able to point at the back of the valve with a manifold of that length and with them mounted above, the fuel puddles on the floor of the manifold, which is clearly evident from the staining you get and inconsistent transient enrichment response. With the injectors mounted below, there's rarely any staining at all and transient enrichment is much smoother and cleaner. You can also use injectors in the OE location with these manifolds if you wish, or twin locations whhich gives the best of both worlds with staged injectors (which the OMEX 600 doesn't do, one of the reasons I favour the DTA S40). The aren't many people who operate such a tight development loop between manufacturing and mapping as I/we do, so the reasons why things are done a certain way, might not be understood. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 27th May 2015 at 21:40
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