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 fatlapit
Seasoned Pro  Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #51
Hi Carl, check out my project thread, 23mm tb's, 30mm arb, crf450 negative camber trailing arms, rebuilt with new wheel bearings, gen pug beam rebuild parts, it also has PhillipM flower petal discs & BBM solid mounts.I don't want to let this go yet though until I know what's happening to the shell so I need to keep it rolling it was midlifes ________________________________________ |
 Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:10
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #52
Your coilover springs are 280 lb in or 5kg per mm so you should be using 22mm bars |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:11
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #53
got 23 but it feels soft________________________________________ |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:12
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #54
With 23mm bars your front springs should be around 300lbs in...... |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:13
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #55
but why shouldnt tge rear be softer??________________________________________ |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:15
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #56
Your rear is currently over sprung causing the car to be unbalanced, I would suggest sorting your spring rates out before getting rid of a perfectly good beam set up |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:15
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #57
My point exactly your rear is stiffer lol I'm not a pro at suspension set up but I think what I'm saying is correct |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:18
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #58
I don't honestly think your rear toe is the only problem but the idea behind zero toe is to get the car to turn in/rotate and you're always going to loose some stability. Stiff rear end with bigger bars and an aggressive diff to keep it in line. Running a load of camber and less toe on a road car is daft though, it's circuit car geo.________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:18
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #59
its s**tter on track as im generally going faster on track than road. ill try changing my driving style first ________________________________________ |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:24
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #60
^ might want to listern to him as he has probably forgot more than I know about suspension set up! He could just keep quiet and take your money for the new arms but instead he is trying to help |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:25
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #61
im on 325/23 and 24 arb, no end swapping.std camber on mine. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:29
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #62
ok ill see how she gets on. ive got an issue with top engine mount first lol________________________________________ |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:31
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #63
pugheaven wrote: Your rear is currently over sprung causing the car to be unbalanced, I would suggest sorting your spring rates out before getting rid of a perfectly good beam set up What's excuse on mine then? Bilstein b8s at front with the eibach springs , b6 shocks, 21mm bars and hybrid arb at back,fully refurbed beam with 0 toe with solid mounts, everything else new from pug. It certainly helps the car rotate faster, would be fine on a track I imagine but not on roads when Id like to enjoy it without the risk of spinning it. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:35
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #64
fatlapit wrote: its s**tter on track as im generally going faster on track than road. ill try changing my driving style first There's numerous folk that would argue (with lap times) otherwise. ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:37
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #65
I don't know what your issue is or what spring rate your front spring are? I'm also a novice when it comes to suspension set up and have just got my info from on here! Rich's car was brilliant on track. Spec was kw v2's, 21mm bars, hybrid arb, solid mounts and -3 degrees Not being funny but it could be down to driving style |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:42
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #66
Is your problem in straight lines or round corners? |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:39
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #67
buzzbrightyear wrote: pugheaven wrote: Your rear is currently over sprung causing the car to be unbalanced, I would suggest sorting your spring rates out before getting rid of a perfectly good beam set up What's excuse on mine then? Bilstein b8s at front with the eibach springs , b6 shocks, 21mm bars and hybrid arb at back,fully refurbed beam with 0 toe with solid mounts, everything else new from pug. It certainly helps the car rotate faster, would be fine on a track I imagine but not on roads when Id like to enjoy it without the risk of spinning it. What arms have you got fitted and is that measured at zero or just where you think they should be? ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:43
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #68
It was measured at 0 toe and everything else was perfectly how it should be, it was on one of those expensive hunter allignment machines that they hang targets of your wheels and a machine in the air sends beams to the targets to measure everything and then it puts the info onto a computer, not the cheap crappy ones where you look at the gauges hanging on wheels.It would be very good on a track but for road use it doesn't give you any confidence to enjoy it if you can't see what's around a bend, with the foot planted it's solid on the road but when you let off the rear end comes alive, as soon as you plant foot again the rear ended becomes stable again. It's very controllable but if I had to lift off and need to slow down due to an obstacle I wouldn't be able to put foot back down to control it, I'm sure on a track it would be very good, but I won't be using it on track that often of like to enjoy it on the road without been dangerous. In a straight line it's fine, although I must say under hard braking in a straight line I have to put effort in to stop it snaking, I put that down to the massive front brakes though. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:56
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #69
mine was hunteredshe doesnt like hanging on in fast corners even full throttle regardless of boost setting. its kinda like sitting on the floor with your back against the sofa. initially it doesnt move but eventually it does. maybe im just going too fast or tyres are at the wrong pressure or wrong line ive done 1.5 k now about half n half road and track. she just frustrates me as im well happy with the front but i also want to make her better than what she is. i feel my gold gti was alot better on the rear lowered 40mm on koni 205 shocks. ive also had tuition too at track days in my car ________________________________________ |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 22:59
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #70
Is it not you just being a bit keen and chucking it into the corner rather than taking the "racing line" which should be smooth and controllableI thought your original problem was the rear trying to overtake the car in a straight line??? |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 23:04
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #71
as metioned above when braking hard snaking is terrible. the first time i realised it was when i drove through some slushy ice going across the road. about 40 mph. the front was fine but the rear didnt go straight. the n/s hit the ice first and shot off right then the same happened to the o/s but went left. i dont believe for one min the btcc 306 had this set up in the wet especially. somwhere like donny at the old hairpin in the wet you would be not very competetive or just crash ________________________________________ |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 23:03
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #72
Maybe it's the extra power and bigger front brakes?________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 23:05
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #73
ive never been a chucker. the first time i noticed a problem was at coombe going around a " corner". the corner was the one next to the pit exit which isnt really a corner more of a kink. the back end totally let go.my friend will who races there said that you can see me fighting the back end. the front is loverly but tge rear just wants to do its own thing. oh i didnt hit the bump either ________________________________________ |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 23:07
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #74
Lol ok so you have a track spec geo but your car doesn't like ice skating.... Not sure anyone can help you solve that one |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 23:07
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #75
aye maybe.maybe it needs special arms or a spoiler ________________________________________ |
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Posted 19th Jan 2015 at 23:08
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