Post #51
I had a issue with my fans not coming on i think it was down to airlock from where my rad was leaking water hence my car sound really sick now ________________________________________
Old pugs don't die they just get faster
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 Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 22:48
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cully
Seasoned Pro  Location: Cullompton Registered: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 1,093 Status: Offline |
Post #52
when i get home i will do a drawing of states when low speed and high speeds are calledlike these for the hdi 3 plug ecu controlled fans   |
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Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 22:52
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro  Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #53
That's awesome thankyou!! |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 10:57
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cully
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Post #54
when on fast speed there are two fuses to check did you check both?xu10j4rs gti6 fan drawing  xu10j4rs gti6 fan drawing HIGH SPEED  xu10j4rs gti6 fan drawing LOW SPEED  |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 13:02
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #55
Thanks so much for this, Where would I find those fuses? Just in the normal fuse box under the dash? (The manual is useless in identifying where I should be looking) |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 13:07
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #56
look at the list on the right which corresponds to the numbers with the items.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 13:13
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #57
Ok and I'm desperately not trying to be thick here, is that saying at high speed fuses 1&2 are used which is in the fuse board by the ignition switch? |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 13:16
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #58
Ok ignore that, googling images of a fuse on such a diagram seems to indicate I should be looking at fuses 1-4 and. 12 and 15? Is that right?Also any idea where mc10 actually earths to the body? |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 13:23
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cully
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Post #59
F12 F15 are in the drivers compartmentF2 F3 are in the box on the N/S wing and under this box on the chassis leg is earth point 10 (MC10) |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 13:37
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Chr1sch
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Post #60
I genuinely could hug you lol, I'll report back! |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 13:38
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #61
Right, i feel like i'm making progress, thanks again guys.So i checked all fuses with multimeter, they're all fine... Now, i then checked the continuity of the fan motor plug, one cable (grey) runs to the back of the right hand green relay (the one that there are 2 of at the top - which i swapped over, and other fan ran fine, so can conclude that they are both ok), instant circuit... The second cable (orange) runs to the back of the black relay that sits at the bottom of the 3 relays and has more pins.... Instant circuit again. So i can conclude that there is no break in the wires from the plug to the relays at all, so i guess i can now state it must be one of 2 things: 1) black relay is duff - (very corroded terminals so i suspect could be) 2) no earth from the black relay to the body So my question is, which pin represents earth on this big black plug? If i can test that for a circuit, then i know its the relay or not - just dont know which pin to try!? Anything else i'm missing? Cheers Chris |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 20:03
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #62
Realised i was asking a dumb question, i put one end of the multimeter on the slam panel as earth and touched each point of the black relay 'socket' and they all made a circuit bar the pin which corresponds to the plug on the fan side....(which we know is ok as i've tested the continuity of that already)So i'm pretty damn sure that means the relay is dead right?! i.e. no circuit is being made to turn the fan on with the relay in place, but we have positive and earth to the socket of the relay? |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 20:19
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cully
Seasoned Pro Location: Cullompton Registered: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 1,093 Status: Offline |
Post #63
typical french feckin electrics!Peugeot has labled their own drawing wrong the twats!.......... there is two 1509 labled relays they shouldnt be labled like that top 1509 is LH fan relay bottom 1509 is RH fan relay 1508 is LH+RH seiries supply relay the top 1509 has an extra pin for the change over contact in the relay and i suspect is the black relay |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 21:04
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #64
Awesome, thanks again, it's the one with the extra pin for sure!If this works I will buy you a beer! Bizarrely I've just realised that my car is a carbon copy of yours lol even down to wheels and colour :-) |
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Posted 17th Sep 2014 at 22:52
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cully
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Post #65
Chr1sch wrote: Awesome, thanks again, it's the one with the extra pin for sure! If this works I will buy you a beer! Bizarrely I've just realised that my car is a carbon copy of yours lol even down to wheels and colour :-) hmm beer  mine is slowly going back to std it now has clear crystals and fogs the picture in the avatar is of when i first bought her |
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Posted 18th Sep 2014 at 11:17
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #66
Any idea where I would find a part number for this relay? Euro's can't find it at all... |
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Posted 18th Sep 2014 at 11:26
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #67
just a normal 5 pin relay, found in many cars in breakers, or maplins, or motorfactors, or even a Peugeot/citroen dealer.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 18th Sep 2014 at 11:40
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #68
Thanks! |
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Posted 18th Sep 2014 at 11:53
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cully
Seasoned Pro Location: Cullompton Registered: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 1,093 Status: Offline |
Post #69
these are the numbers off the relays not peugeot numbersgreen one G.Cartier 03601 black one G.Cartier 03501 |
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Posted 18th Sep 2014 at 11:58
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #70
Thanks again CullyI'm sorry to be revisiting old ground here, but can we categorically say that absolutely both fans should be on when i remove the brown plug? If so, its still not working, even with a new relay ffs. What i dont understand is the wire that appears to the be the earth at the motor end, appears to the one that then goes into the black relay (i.e. the one that does the series switching, is that right? i.e. the earth is switched? - my dad was saying thats very unusual...) Im at a loss now, unless it is just an earthing issue for the right hand fan.. Any suggestions? (Now that i know wiring from motor to relays is ok, relays are ok, motor is ok) Ffs this is killing me! |
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Posted 19th Sep 2014 at 11:43
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #71
unplug the fans and just send 12v directly to them, see what happens?________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 19th Sep 2014 at 11:44
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Chr1sch
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Post #72
if i just run a new earth straight to the back of the relay would that hurt or bugger up the wiring diagram above? i'm almost certain it must be the earth... |
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Posted 19th Sep 2014 at 11:46
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rikky
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Post #73
when you remove the plug the fans should come on like a failsafe. if both aren't spinning up i imagine one's fubar or a relay is sticky or the bitron unit thing is goosed________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 19th Sep 2014 at 12:05
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #74
So I bought a new fan and know all the relays are ok lolWhat's a bitron unit?! |
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Posted 19th Sep 2014 at 12:08
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #75
Ok just found it on a search, Jesus this is a nightmare |
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Posted 19th Sep 2014 at 12:13
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