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Author | Subject: Overheating |
Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #26
I'll check first thing, thanks again :-) |
Posted 14th Aug 2014 at 21:46
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #27
cully wrote: This is exactly what I was trying to say. if it has AC you should have two fans slow speed is two fans in series fast speed is two in parrellel if one is missing you wont get slow speed! ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
Posted 14th Aug 2014 at 22:49
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #28
Ok so one was hiding behind the oil cooler, I do have 2, however if can't find any scenario where both are on? (Incl unplugging brown clip) |
Posted 15th Aug 2014 at 20:19
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cully
Seasoned Pro Location: Cullompton Registered: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 1,093 Status: Offline |
Post #29
i would suggest trying to test the one fan that is not working as i suspect it is faulty |
Posted 15th Aug 2014 at 20:35
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #30
Yep if both don't come on when the brown sensor is unplugged then you most likely have a faulty fan. You need to get it fixed so you have the slow speed fans. Do the ac bridge trick and at least you can manually turn them on to max speed whenever you want.________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
Posted 15th Aug 2014 at 21:37
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #31
Cool thanks gents, I guess I need to source a new fan then! |
Posted 15th Aug 2014 at 23:27
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cully
Seasoned Pro Location: Cullompton Registered: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 1,093 Status: Offline |
Post #32
to use A/C Button for Fan overrideDisconnect A/c pump electricly Unplug A/c Pressure switch then bridge pins in A/c Pressure switch loom side plug, one or the other not both Bridge pins 1&2 = low speed from both fans Bridge pins 1&3 = high speed from both fans |
Posted 16th Aug 2014 at 00:00
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #33
Brilliant cully. ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
Posted 16th Aug 2014 at 07:36
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Fantastic thank you! |
Posted 16th Aug 2014 at 08:27
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #35
Ok so it's been an absolute bas**rd but....I finally have the duff fan motor off and I'm ready to replace itDad came round with his multimeter and we tested the plug, it has 2 pins, one positive, one negative I assumed?? We could not get any voltage readings from it that way at all, however we got an instant. 12v if earthed elsewhere, are the fans earthed? To avioid confusion we got voltage when pulling the brown plug out, one fan going nuts, other dead... Do they use the same earth or could I have a perfectly good fan with a dodgy earth? (If it is earthed via plug) Cheers Chris |
Posted 15th Sep 2014 at 08:13
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #36
Fan cowling is plastic....check the small multiplug on the corner, cant remember if the earths meet before the plug, if they dont then it could be the plug, if they do there might be a break in the wiring if there isnt a circuit from the fan plug to earth. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 15th Sep 2014 at 08:38
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Thanks, so the plug should be earthed? Ie one pin positive, one negative?If so I defo only have an earth at one fan!? (So there must be an individual earth for each?) Is that all correct? |
Posted 15th Sep 2014 at 17:22
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cully
Seasoned Pro Location: Cullompton Registered: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 1,093 Status: Offline |
Post #38
the relays switch the wiring so you may not have any connection if the relays arnt poweredif you have the duff fan off put 12v across the socket on the motor see if it spins hold onto it tight as it starts with quite a kick |
Posted 15th Sep 2014 at 22:50
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #39
Is there a relay per fan? Doesn't appear that way in the manual but then as you can tell I'm learning lol |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 07:52
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cully
Seasoned Pro Location: Cullompton Registered: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 1,093 Status: Offline |
Post #40
there should be 3 relays and a fan controller Bitron box on a GTI6 (NOT A RALLYE)1 relay switches the power to the fans 2-3 relay switches the wiring between series and parallel fans to get your two speeds the bitron box controls all of the above taking signals from CTS and A/C switches below is a wiring drawing with the fan loom drawing to the first plug this is for a GTI6 Not a Rallye |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 11:05
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #41
Right ok thanks, I hope I haven't just removed a perfectly decent fan and have a duff relay :-sWhere are the 3 relays you describe above? I'm embarrassed to say I just cannot Decipher that diagram... Is there an easy way to test a relay? Cheers Chris |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 11:12
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #42
As an FYI I removed the brown plug and only one fan comes on, I was told this meant defo a dead fan?! |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 11:13
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cully
Seasoned Pro Location: Cullompton Registered: 12 Jun 2013 Posts: 1,093 Status: Offline |
Post #43
i would say you have a dead fan yesthe three relays are in the triangle box between the two fans at the top of the plastic cowl |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 12:21
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #44
Ok i could actually scream at this point, i've just no idea why i only have 1 fan working..Here's what ive done: 1) Pull out brown plug 2) Right hand fan not coming on, remove.... 3) Test plug for motor - very difficult to get 12v on the multimetre, with the earth else where on the car (e.g slam panel) 12v there, if just using the 2 terminals, no 12v. 4) Replaced duff motor... 5) Cry, new motor doesnt work either....(clearly original fan is fine, but i've buggered it now lol) 6) Open newly discovered box with relays (thanks cully) - 2 green at top, one black below 7) Swap green relays over (just in case they correspond to right and left) - makes no difference, right not coming on 8) pull out black relay below, terminals all manky, clean up, plug back in... 9) No chuffing difference I've got a track day coming up and no fecking clue how to fix this, arrrgghhhh any ideas gents, i'm stumped. The earth thing is clearly odd but i've unclipped the motor plug and traced the wiring back to the relays at the top of the fan cowling and its all fine... Help! Cheers Chris |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 16:30
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #45
Fine as in looks ok or fine as in you have actually checked to see why there is no earth from that plug?________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 17:53
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #46
Haha indeed, it's virtually impossible to tell where it ends, I think it ends at the relay so will continuity test tomorrow... |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 19:58
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #47
well there's a diagram above...________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 20:08
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #48
It may as well be written in Swahili i have no idea what I'm looking at... |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 21:18
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #49
wires n stuff.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 22:16
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Chr1sch
Seasoned Pro Location: Worcester Registered: 02 Aug 2014 Posts: 1,025 Status: Offline |
Post #50
In simple terms what does that diagram illustrate in terms of where the wire ends? |
Posted 16th Sep 2014 at 22:41
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