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Recently I swapped the inlet manifold, pas pump and radiator.
I reused all sensors other than the cts and tps which I swapped for ones which worked fine on another car.
Now the car is hunting for idle, running poorly and misfiring very, very loudly at idle. It also revs very high on start up and settles if you touch the throttle
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I can't figure out what is causing the problem. Disconnecting the battery helps a bit but then it gets worse again.

Any ideas?

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Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 12:43
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Did this happen immediately after you made the changes?

New gasket for manifold?

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Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 13:01
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New gasket. Just swapped tps and cts back with no change
my speedo does a weird judder before settling before I start the car which it didn't do before

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Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 13:22
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Disturbed the earth points on the gearbox?

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  • Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 13:33
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    Not deliberately.. just checked them and they are intact. Cleaned all the earths a couple of months ago as well

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    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 13:50
    dangti6

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    Post #6
    Did you retain your existing resonator box or use one that came with the inlet? If so perhaps check it's not cracked.

    It sounds like an air leak on one hand, but the needle moving and disconnecting the battery helping points towards a possible electical mishap somewhere.

    Time to break it for parts IMO.

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  • Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 13:53
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    Post #7
    Speedo is juddery at the start.. gearbox earths definitely intact... Think the vss is too.. The front end is raised off the ground but that shouldn't matter

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    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 13:57
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    Does unplugging the PAS sensor improve it at all? They can cause idle problems.

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  • Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 14:06
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    Post #9
    I'll try that. The icv is very, very hot. This is hunting idle and very loud banging misfire though

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    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 14:13
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    Post #10
    Giving up for today. Noticed my replacement fuel lines are expanding a lot under pressure so that may be an issue but realy not sure. It really is running awfully and juddering the whole car

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    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 14:18
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    Tried swapping the ECU temp sensor back to the original ?

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    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 14:38
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    Post #12
    To check for an air leak spray around the inlet with wd40, carb cleaner or even a mist of water out of a spray bottle and listen for a change in revs, it does sound like that's most likely to be your issue with it running badly.

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    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 15:46
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    pug_306 wrote:
    Tried swapping the ECU temp sensor back to the original ?

    I assume you mean the green coolant temperature sensor that feeds back to the ECU?
    Yes, I swapped back, no change.


    ryangti6 wrote:
    To check for an air leak spray around the inlet with wd40, carb cleaner or even a mist of water out of a spray bottle and listen for a change in revs, it does sound like that's most likely to be your issue with it running badly.

    I think it is an electrical fault as my central locking began playing up as well.
    I can't leave it running to do this though, it is knocking that badly. I have never heard misfiring this bad before.

    In any case, I'll come back to it in a couple of days.

    List of things to check:
    air leak
    earths on alternator although they seemed tight enough
    plugs on chassis leg
    ICV swap


    My ICV was extremely hot even though that car barely ran and the engine was cold. Do they normally get particulary hot as I can't say I've noticed that they do...? Someone idle their car for 2 minutes and see if it gets really hot please?

    This would again possibly point towards bad earthing or wiring somewhere.

    This is all bearing in mind that I haven't actually changed anything electrical apart from I guess the IAT that was in the new TB, but that was working fine on the old car and unplugging made no difference.
    I've only swapped PAS pump, radiator, manifold and throttle body. We did remove the alternator to retrieve a dropped PAS spacer but that's all back on just fine from what I can tell.

    Any more ideas?

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    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 16:11
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    Alternator connections good and tight? check the charging voltage when its running accross the battery should be about 14.5v.

    My ICV got red hot when it stuck. pulled into petrol station fine and when i restarted the car 5 mins later it wouldnt idle at all. checked the icv when i got to my mates place round the corner and pretty much burned my hand on it....

    let it cool down and restarted fine and worked for the next few days till i got me a new one.

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    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 16:23
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    Yeah I'm thinking the alternator connections might not be tight. Can get a socket on it but not a spanner nor ratchet on the socket, and they are certainly finger tight but maybe we didn't fully tighten them.

    I will remove the manifold and have a proper check of them.

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    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 16:30
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    Post #16
    http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=158618&page=3#56

    Post #57, those two connections on the top of the alternator are the only ones, correct?
    The bigger one has two ring connectors, the front just one.

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    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 16:59
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    yes!
    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 17:08
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    Thanks

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    Posted 12th Jun 2014 at 17:09
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    I'm convinced this is an electrical fault and will try some things tomorrow, but my fuel lines couldn't possibly be contributing to this problem could they?

    I replaced the final bit of the lines between the green and white cube connectors and the fuel rail with generic hose from factors but both of the correct internal diameters, and noticed that once the fuel rail is pressurised the fuel feed line swells up unlike the standard ones which are way stiffer. There is no leaking of fuel or pressure though.

    I can't see why this would be a problem? I will replace it with something better anyway in the near future even if it isn't causing the issue.

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    Posted 14th Jun 2014 at 00:57
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    Post #20
    Could the fuel and possibly the misfiring be down to you removing that fuel regulator thing on the fuel rail when you painted it, I'm sure ive read on here somewhere that someone else had issues after reassembling, could it be restricting the fuel to the injectors? Just a guess Dunno

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    Posted 14th Jun 2014 at 08:33
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    I didn't remove the fpr for this reason. I just masked it off.
    Worth getting genuine fuel lines? Braided hose? Genuine ones have to go on backorder

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    Posted 14th Jun 2014 at 09:09
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    Did you use injection hose?

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  • Posted 14th Jun 2014 at 10:56
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    Post #23
    I used generic fuel hose from an autoparts shop. Looked very bloated when pressurised...I suppose this might be affecting the pressure or upsetting the fpr.

    If I go to a factors and ask for injection hose it'll be more rigid like the oem hoses?

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    Posted 14th Jun 2014 at 11:42
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    Right. Found a 3rd split injector o ring. Car now runs great apart from at idle where it hunts for it and misfires a bit. Icv is getting very hot and is also sometimes sticking at start up. Unplugging map sensor makes it stall so icv is definitely broken. Cleaning makes no difference.

    Off on holiday Monday so unless anyone has one spare very locally I'll have to wait and order one from ecp.

    Thanks for the help

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    Posted 14th Jun 2014 at 15:03
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    What you after icv? Or map

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