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 Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #26
quote: It is possible to do your own but it involves a fair outlay in parts as well. Unless it involves a hammer or a angel grinder it's not possible for me to do my own  ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
 Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 17:20
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RetroPug
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leicestershire Registered: 15 Jan 2013 Posts: 2,473 Status: Offline |
Post #27
Well if you pay someone to do it it is going to be pricey unfortunately.________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 17:22
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #28
Do you need to skim it or can i just get it tested and put straight on ?________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 17:23
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RetroPug
Seasoned Pro Location: Leicestershire Registered: 15 Jan 2013 Posts: 2,473 Status: Offline |
Post #29
If you don't skim it and the head is warped then it'll go again.A skim might not be necessary but it would be s**t if you saved 40 quid off the price of hundreds just to have to do it again. Secondly, if you have lairy cams, fitting a skimmed head might be enough to make the valves touch the pistons. ________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 17:28
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #30
I could get some pocketed pistons and do it probaly , I might buy a 2nd hand engine and put it in and forget the cams ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 17:30
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RetroPug
Seasoned Pro Location: Leicestershire Registered: 15 Jan 2013 Posts: 2,473 Status: Offline |
Post #31
Buying an engine will actually be cheaper than getting the HG done at a proper garage and then you could use the other engine for spares/break it and sell the good bits & cams.Never done an engine swap but happy to lend a hand spannering if you do it DIY. ________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 17:35
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #32
Cool I might take you up on that offer I've got a engine crane , do you reckon it could be swapped in a day ? ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 17:40
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RetroPug
Seasoned Pro Location: Leicestershire Registered: 15 Jan 2013 Posts: 2,473 Status: Offline |
Post #33
I've never done one before so no idea really.I know other people have but they knew what they were doing! ________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 17:55
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #34
Its all been apart recently , I've only had it back on the road a month it will be its 3rd engine this year ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 18:18
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #35
Engine swap easily done in a day if you've done one before, if you haven't then budget for a whole weekend.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 19:11
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #36
I've changed engines before on mini s and mgb gts just not 306 s whats the best way to disconnect the driveshafts and is it possible to do this without touching the brakes it's just ive only just got the air out of them from last time ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 20:05
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #37
No need to touch the brakes at all, simply remove the lower balljoints on both wishbones - then whip the shafts out.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 21:44
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #38
Ok makes sense had a quick look at the FAQ it all looks fairly simple, I'm just looking forward to some hassle free driving for abit, touch wood ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 16th Feb 2014 at 21:51
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doon1988
Regular  Location: Sheffield Registered: 08 May 2011 Posts: 457 Status: Offline |
Post #39
Cjwatson27 wrote: Right p**sed about with it all day , I think the head gasket may have gone after it's been switched off it hisses from the rad cap and it's lost a lot of water. What do you guys think ? Just a suggestion - Probably isnt the solution to your bigger issue but you mention the hissing from the rad cap... Have you replaced the radcap? Mine used to hiss a lot and then one day whilst doing some other work I started the car up and water started spurting out of the rad cap. Took it off and the seal in the cap had gone. Put another cap on and no more hissing.... |
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Posted 17th Feb 2014 at 14:24
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #40
Yeah the garage said this today plus said they can test to see if its pressuring . It's going there tommorow. With all the problems ive had im still thinking of fitting a decent standard engine and flogging the cams and ecu to someone abit more knowledgable than my self ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 17th Feb 2014 at 22:07
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #41
Get it sniff tested to rule out HG issues as well. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 18th Feb 2014 at 01:16
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #42
Had it compression tested and some funny test done to check for gases in the water, I think that what it was some funny blue liquid in a funny bottle , both came back ok . It does have a bottom hose leak. If I'm back early tomorrow I'll fit the new lambda see if that helps . Tho I'm glad the HG s ok I'm a little disappointed its not has I'm still no closer to sorting this ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 18th Feb 2014 at 18:08
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #43
This may be a stupid question any reason why with the bottom hose fix and refilled with coolant it now starting alot better? ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 19th Feb 2014 at 20:03
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #44
Cjwatson27 wrote: some funny test done to check for gases in the water, I think that what it was some funny blue liquid in a funny bottle , both came back ok That is the sniff test I suggested above. As for the fact it's starting a lot better now, just put it down to the fact it's French. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 19th Feb 2014 at 20:41
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #45
They laughed at me when I asked if thats what it was called .I wondering if i have a problem with my loom it's seen better days is it possible to replace insitue ? Now it's starting better it seems to be lumpy on deacceleration and not too smooth I'm putting the lambda on tomorrow hopefully and doing a ecu reset , fingers crossed its getting better slowly So thanks for all the help ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 19th Feb 2014 at 21:47
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #46
Cheers for all the help and offers to fix my car, after speaking to A peugeot speailist today ive decided to take the car off the road save up a bit of money and get him to rebuild the head and setup the cams properly. He pretty much confirmed what everyone's been telling me all along that its timed wrong and ive had valve to piston contact . Shame really I was hoping to fix this myself ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 20th Feb 2014 at 17:24
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jimmyhackers
Seasoned Pro  Location: birmingham Registered: 14 Jun 2011 Posts: 1,149 Status: Offline |
Post #47
how come no one suggest an ecu reset under load (clears these problems on most 306)basically matey disconnect your ecu for 10mins or so..... reconnect the ecu with the key in the ignition position.... start your engine and turn on alll electrical systems... fans, rear window heater, radio, lights.....etcetc wait untill your radiator fan kicks in...... and viola ecu reset under load. problems should be gone ________________________________________ the world is changed by people in sheds |
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Posted 20th Feb 2014 at 17:42
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #48
Yeah it's got after market cams and it feels like there timed wrong , and after having someone explain it to you on the phone ive come to except that the garage that fitted them has done it wrong, causing damage to the valves it's devoloped a harsh vibration after you lift the throttle off , for the quote ive got i think ill get him to rebuilt it . Plus well it's there hes got all the diagnostic equipment to sort it out once and for all . Touch wood ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 20th Feb 2014 at 17:52
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Cjwatson27
Seasoned Pro Location: Oxford Registered: 17 Sep 2013 Posts: 1,968 Status: Offline |
Post #49
I know your all probably fed up of hearing about this car being broken , but I have a bit of a update I've swap a few things about cleaned up some connections on the loom its starts properly now. But it's rather lumpy when you left off the throttle it kind of jerks about a bit same has if you lightly accelerate , accelerating its fine no misfire or flat spots . I have a lambda I've not fitted due to my workshop being flooded plus I've not tried the ECU reset. Cheers for any help ________________________________________ Old pugs don't die they just get faster |
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Posted 27th Feb 2014 at 20:33
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #50
Cjwatson27 wrote: I know your all probably fed up of hearing about this car being broken ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 27th Feb 2014 at 20:48
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