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 Maxipug
Newbie  Location: Reading/berkshire Registered: 10 Oct 2013 Posts: 43 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Afternoon chaps I'm looking at getting the 309 22mm front arb for my 205 this week, what's everyone's consensus for the rear ? It's just fast road but looking for a bit more stability! Cheers guys ________________________________________ Mlilley.205 Gti-6 engine Bilstein shocks front/rear with Eibach springs Powerflex poly bushed Much more to come hopefully... |
 Posted 12th Jan 2014 at 17:42
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Don't do it!! A 309 front arb will just make it understeer more! Leave the 205 one on the front, get a 24mm 306 gti6 standard arb for peanuts, cut it to 205 length and weld one end plate on.I did this and cost me nothing as my brother bought a 28mm 306 arb and had a standard one spare. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 12th Jan 2014 at 18:02
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Maxipug
Newbie Location: Reading/berkshire Registered: 10 Oct 2013 Posts: 43 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Ahh really :/ ?! Even with putting a 306 one on the rear ?? What are you running on your beast ?? ________________________________________ Mlilley.205 Gti-6 engine Bilstein shocks front/rear with Eibach springs Powerflex poly bushed Much more to come hopefully... |
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Posted 12th Jan 2014 at 19:24
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gman
Seasoned Pro  Location: Didcot Registered: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,471 Status: Offline |
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Agreed as suggested. Keep front standard and uprate the rear, along with a set of uprated to torsion bars. I run 24mm arb and 21mm TB, with bilstein group n shocks. Rides great and isn't too stiff________________________________________ 1992 Onyx Black 205 GTI-62005 Honda S2000 (Sold) 2002 Audi S3 (Sold) 2005 Clio 182 Trophy (sold) |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 14:02
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Mine has the 309 gti front ARB and 6/VTS machined 24 rear for 205. I had the front fitted before the rear and yes it handled like a dog. Since I fitted the rear 24mm ARB it has totally transformed the whole car, they compliment each other very well indeed and is the best mod that's been done, thus far.Some like some don't, this means some will say its rubbish and only you will know if it works for you, your driving style and your car, so try not to listen to some. To try and explain my experience using them, well when I went round a short sharp bend at 70mph the whole car skidded, just a touch and all 4 wheels skidded through the bend, which to me shows how well balanced it is. Mine has GpA rear mounts Gp N Bilstein rear shocks Standard TB's 24mm properly machined 6/VTS 24mm ARB using 205 end plates. Now fitted with -2 camber Front VTS shocks Eibach 30mm lower springs Gp N mounts 309 Motaquip bones for some negative camber Remember mine has the 6 engine fitted as well, so wanted the 309 ARB to compensate for the extra 20kg weight at front. The key to a good set up is having the rear stiffer than the front and its worked for me very well indeed. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 05:51
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spiky
Seasoned Pro  Location: Cardiff Registered: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,310 Status: Offline |
Post #6
mine was running a 309 front ARBbut as said above, did understeer, then i fitted a 24mm arb to my 309 rear beam and the handle was perfect again  you cant do one without the other ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 08:11
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Maxipug wrote: Ahh really :/ ?! Even with putting a 306 one on the rear ?? What are you running on your beast ?? My opinion however I prefer the smaller 205 arb I'd actually like to go smaller on the front and see how that fairs. A lot of proper race setups don't even runs front arb. That tells you something. My setup is Front 309 wishbones GAZ coilovers 350lb springs ( I think) 205 arb Adjustable top mounts Tran X diff Rear 23mm torsion bars 24mm arb, fitted onto a 205 beam. I strongly believe also there is no benefit to having a 309 beam on the rear. People think the car handles better for a wider rear track but it is actually the increase in Torsion bar size which comes with the 309 beam. I think a higher spec'd 205 beam is much nicer. I went from 205 to 309 back to 205 for such reason. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 13:49
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dangti6
aka JKshooter  Location: Taunton, Somerset Registered: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 10,305 Status: Offline |
Post #8
I've personally gone for a 309 rear because it allows me to use Berlingo 21.3mm torsion bars which are a fair bit cheaper than having 205 length ones made up. Plus I like the look of it with fuller arches. Horses for courses.________________________________________  |
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Posted 24th Jan 2014 at 15:13
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #9
dangti6 wrote: I've personally gone for a 309 rear because it allows me to use Berlingo 23.1mm torsion bars which are a fair bit cheaper than having 205 length ones made up. Plus I like the look of it with fuller arches. Horses for courses. Certainly. A 205 looks much better with the wheels sat that bit further out. However I have a s**tty base model  ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 13:57
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alastairh
Regular Location: Kettering Registered: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 375 Status: Offline |
Post #10
spiky wrote: mine was running a 309 front ARB but as said above, did understeer, then i fitted a 24mm arb to my 309 rear beam and the handle was perfect again you cant do one without the other Same experience. Al ________________________________________ 205 GTI6Primera GT Xsara VTS 306 GTI6 |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 16:50
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #11
dangti6 wrote: I've personally gone for a 309 rear because it allows me to use Berlingo 23.1mm torsion bars which are a fair bit cheaper than having 205 length ones made up. Plus I like the look of it with fuller arches. Horses for courses. 23.1mm Berlingo bars? Is that a typo dan? Personally not a fan of 309 beams on 205s, they make them feel very dull and ruin turn in for me. I think they look gash too! My 309 runs a 205 front arb........   ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 17:34
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dangti6
aka JKshooter Location: Taunton, Somerset Registered: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 10,305 Status: Offline |
Post #12
quote: allanallen wrote: 23.1mm Berlingo bars? Is that a typo dan? oops well spottted *21.3 ________________________________________ |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 18:02
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
Post #13
allanallen wrote: dangti6 wrote: I've personally gone for a 309 rear because it allows me to use Berlingo 23.1mm torsion bars which are a fair bit cheaper than having 205 length ones made up. Plus I like the look of it with fuller arches. Horses for courses. 23.1mm Berlingo bars? Is that a typo dan? Personally not a fan of 309 beams on 205s, they make them feel very dull and ruin turn in for me. I think they look gash too! My 309 runs a 205 front arb........ How did you find running a thinner arb? ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 19:44
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jord294
Seasoned Pro  Location: somewhere in north wales Registered: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,110 Status: Offline |
Post #14
if i ever get another 205 gti, i'm going to try 309 axle with the 21.3mm torsion bars and 25mm arbtempted to try one of my spare 309 gti front arbs aswell ________________________________________ FRESHLY RE-FURBISHED GTI BEAMSFITTING AND LOWERING AVAILABLE. ALL AXLES BUILT USING GENUINE PEUGEOT PARTS IF I'M NOT HERE, IT ONLY MEANS ONE THING.... I'M SOMEWHERE ELSE! |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 19:49
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
Post #15
Better off fitting decent width Rim's instead of a manky old 309 beam (Terminology) using them over 6 or 6.5" rims makes a difference in a positive way ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 22:27
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #16
rallyeash wrote: allanallen wrote: dangti6 wrote: I've personally gone for a 309 rear because it allows me to use Berlingo 23.1mm torsion bars which are a fair bit cheaper than having 205 length ones made up. Plus I like the look of it with fuller arches. Horses for courses. 23.1mm Berlingo bars? Is that a typo dan? Personally not a fan of 309 beams on 205s, they make them feel very dull and ruin turn in for me. I think they look gash too! My 309 runs a 205 front arb........ How did you find running a thinner arb? Very little difference really as it's on 500lb springs and big bars ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 13th Jan 2014 at 23:32
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Agreed with Miles about alloy size, 309 beams on a 205 are gash and as said were only fitted back in the day for cheap bigger bars.Also if you want the rear to have the wide look you could always use 306 6 stub pins on the arms and bearings with the ABS ring and that brings them out a fair bit. If you need some nylock hard bushes for the rear ARB 205 plates, im selling them for £5 a beam since I got a load cheap. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 24th Jan 2014 at 15:08
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #18
beez_neez_gt wrote: . If you need some nylock hard bushes for the rear ARB 205 plates, im selling them for £5 a beam since I got a load cheap. Ahh so after you boned me for advice on various hub and arm set-ups, had me plead with my boss to actually sell you stuff (due to your bad rep on the drivers forum and countless pms advicing me not to deal with you), then insulted me over several pms acusing me of being a time waster! You've gone out and had some arb bushes made?! Brilliant, cheers.  ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 25th Jan 2014 at 08:11
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scotzman
Seasoned Pro  Location: Dundee Registered: 24 Jun 2011 Posts: 1,408 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Wider wheels with lower offset fill the arches nicely Any opportunity for a pic   ________________________________________ '90 1.6 205 GTi, '98 306 GTi-6 |
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Posted 25th Jan 2014 at 19:06
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