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 coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #1
Anyone running Omex/DTA/Emerald etc with a charger? If so, what are they like?  ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
 Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 18:30
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yippeekayay
Seasoned Pro  Location: wilts Registered: 27 Oct 2008 Posts: 4,144 Status: Offline |
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Ohhh heading that way miserable???________________________________________ 306 less for first time in nearly 7 years. Lets keep it that way... please refuse any offers i make to buy your 306 ( doctors letter supplied by request)Marmite and cheese sandwiches anyone??? Burns and Mcrae will be forever missed. x box "yippeekayaymofo" |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 18:17
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Just wondering what they are like Miserable will be you when your getting up in the middle of the night changing nappies!!!  ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 18:29
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #4
IIRC Ash is running his c30 94 charger setup on aftermarket management if that helps, don't think many other people have as its cheaper to run it on standard management |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 18:31
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Rich_w's is on DTA. From what I've been told Wayne Schofield can make the standard ECU perform like an aftermarket one without the need for re-wiring etc. Only downside is that he seems to be the only person who knows how to do it so if you're not local it could be a big trip to see him.________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 22:51
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midlife
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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I've seen a post somewhere saying Wayne has stopped running chip wizards, if that's true some of us will have no option but to go for aftermarket   ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!! Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker  Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 23:00
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
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I've got a dta s60 Don't ask me what it's like as all I know about it is it runs and works. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 23:34
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Rich W's car, Andy's car and mine all run the DTA S60 ECU'S.What exactly did you want to know Kev? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 24th Jul 2013 at 00:08
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allanallen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Buxton Registered: 01 May 2007 Posts: 1,399 Status: Offline |
Post #9
How are they mapped on the standard ecu as I imagine they don't use the map sensor? Is it done on throttle position like you'd map throttle bodies? I imagine an aftermarket ecu to run them equally as good as the standard ecu and obviously much easier to map. ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 24th Jul 2013 at 05:13
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #10
allanallen wrote: How are they mapped on the standard ecu as I imagine they don't use the map sensor? Is it done on throttle position like you'd map throttle bodies? I imagine an aftermarket ecu to run them equally as good as the standard ecu and obviously much easier to map. Mapping on the standard ECU is done wih guestimated figures. As the ECU doesn't have the facility to see positive boost, it's mapped by adding a lot more fuel than normal using the TPS as you mentioned and guessing what you will need compared to the throttle opening. Not very accurate but good enough. Aftermarket is 1000% better as you can map it properly and to the correct values. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 24th Jul 2013 at 09:35
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #11
From what I've been told the standard ecu can be told to read positive boost using a MAP sensor from a turbo'd motor, ie a VAG 1.8T or similar. The ecu won't read it as standard but you can basically recalibrate the scale it works from so instead of reading 0>-1 bar as an eg, you can tell it to read 5bar>-1bar________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 24th Jul 2013 at 10:05
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #12
I thought you couldn't change it and it can only read vacuum not positive boost which is why low and high boost use the charger in a draw through setup after the throttle body and map sensor instead of charger then throttle body on the inlet like a turbo or stans silly boost.________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 24th Jul 2013 at 10:23
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #13
I spoke to RichW yesterday and Wayne still is with chip wizards he is just mobile now so obviously is not at the same premises.Pete i think you're right on that one! ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 24th Jul 2013 at 10:46
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
Post #14
stan_306gti6 wrote: Rich W's car, Andy's car and mine all run the DTA S60 ECU'S. What exactly did you want to know Kev? Got a DTA in garage and seeing sc parts for sale I was just wondering as you do.... Was thinking it should be a better map on aftermarket ecu for each individual car ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 27th Jul 2013 at 19:08
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #15
I don't think the benefit is worth the cock around. as you'd need differrent set up you'd have to run it like a c38 with throttle on end of inlet rather than on the end of charger. in my opinion you'd be better off buying leegti6 superhighboost system and restricting the bigger charger.________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 27th Jul 2013 at 19:15
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #16
Id love to try it on a standard engine if Takedown can run 450bhp turbo then it must be possible to run a c38 supercharger in much the same way. wouldn't mind giving it a test! just keep boring out the restricting until it went boom!________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 27th Jul 2013 at 19:26
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
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superchargedblack1997gti6 wrote: Id love to try it on a standard engine if Takedown can run 450bhp turbo then it must be possible to run a c38 supercharger in much the same way. wouldn't mind giving it a test! just keep boring out the restricting until it went boom! Im tempted to see how much the rallye can take before it blows with C30 ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 29th Jul 2013 at 13:53
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #18
coskev wrote: stan_306gti6 wrote: Rich W's car, Andy's car and mine all run the DTA S60 ECU'S. What exactly did you want to know Kev? Got a DTA in garage Which one? Let me know if you sell ;-) ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 29th Jul 2013 at 13:54
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #19
rallyestyle wrote: superchargedblack1997gti6 wrote: Id love to try it on a standard engine if Takedown can run 450bhp turbo then it must be possible to run a c38 supercharger in much the same way. wouldn't mind giving it a test! just keep boring out the restricting until it went boom! Im tempted to see how much the rallye can take before it blows with C30 Standard rods are supposedly good for 300bhp, although how long they would last at that power level is another issue. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 29th Jul 2013 at 19:10
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #20
stan_306gti6 wrote: rallyestyle wrote: superchargedblack1997gti6 wrote: Id love to try it on a standard engine if Takedown can run 450bhp turbo then it must be possible to run a c38 supercharger in much the same way. wouldn't mind giving it a test! just keep boring out the restricting until it went boom! Im tempted to see how much the rallye can take before it blows with C30 Standard rods are supposedly good for 300bhp, although how long they would last at that power level is another issue. Who said that? And exactly how did they come to that conclusion? I'm assuming thats forced induction and not NA? ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 29th Jul 2013 at 19:15
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Yes, what a component can take, and what it can take reliably, are two very different things________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 29th Jul 2013 at 19:23
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #22
Indeed but I'd love to know who decided the rods are good for 300bhp and what they based their conclusion on... ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 29th Jul 2013 at 19:24
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #23
What their mate down the pub told them.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 29th Jul 2013 at 19:35
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heliosphan
Senior User  Location: UK Registered: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 950 Status: Offline |
Post #24
pete_rallye wrote: Indeed but I'd love to know who decided the rods are good for 300bhp and what they based their conclusion on... Was it possibly post #564 in this thread? http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=152563&page=23 Specifically: Takedown wrote: Fact is why go forged if youre looking for around 350BHP, when the stock engine with a sandwichplate will take this night and day. |
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Posted 29th Jul 2013 at 20:14
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #25
pete_rallye wrote: Indeed but I'd love to know who decided the rods are good for 300bhp and what they based their conclusion on... Yeah definitely forced induction up to that power level, not sure about NA. There have been members who have run low boost supercharger setups but opened up the restrictor ring slightly and recorded very near to 300bhp, although it's not advisable. When Rich first developed the low boost setup, it was running about 290bhp, but it was suggested to detune it to around the 260bhp mark for bullet proof reliability. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 29th Jul 2013 at 20:32
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