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yippeekayay

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Right for clarity. Belt one was changed a year before my ownership and within 500 Miles showing signs of head gasket going. I bought it with a misfire knowing it was either coils or head gasket. 500 Miles later the head gasket blew on the m42. I was rescued by previous mentioned Peugeot master tech and left it with him. He removed the head after finding the timing to be out and when the head was removed it had substantial head damage with smashed buckets and 6 valves bent. Still have some of the smashed parts for proof. Head was reworked new valves x8 I think new gates pump and belt and tensioners oe headgasket kit fitted 900spent and happy smiley polished China blue gti... 4K plus of happy driving. Tom arrives loves it buys it takes it away. As I couldnt find the invoices for parts as was emigrating and somehow put them in a box I couldnt find Tom decides despite me pleading with him not to go to Leicester he feels he should change the belt to aid sale of his car.. Cambelt number 3 arrives in less than 2 years at the place that originally fecked it up and now its lost 30 odd horses.... I know where my monies at as I know of at least 20 other people with the same factors involved in their engines demise never mind a few rear beams and god knows what else. Still, saving grace is that this thread will be removed as per the last ten instances.....

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 08:38
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Don't really see how you can get it wrong after doing mine on monday Dunno

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 10:36
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taking shortcuts and being a spanner? not checking the crank pulley or using the right tools? unexcusable really.

probably had several dozen thou taken off the head....

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 10:37
chunder27

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Well from my point of view all I am seeing is a loss of power, nothing more. Tom seemed a fairly careful lad and wanted to keep things nice, so explains why he would have done the change. But without a RR check he wouldnt haev known about power loss. And he was also on about cam advance etc in a thread before, which is a possible cause for concern.

It is better to know a little more of the history of the car, but I certainly wouldnt have taken it on track if I had known this beforehand!

All I can do is wait and see what the guys who are looking at it make of it and take it from there.

But thankfully I dont live anywhere near Leicester! So wont be anywhere near that place.

Posted 22nd May 2013 at 11:10
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Maybe its been retarded rather than advanced then...

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 12:37
yippeekayay

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It definitely wasnt down on power when it left my ownership....

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 12:43
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Might explain why it was being sold and possibly why I might have been sold down the river a bit!! Though Tom did seem to have a reason for sale.

So either the rollers are wrong, or its been messed about with, wont know until a few days when it gets checked over by someone who should know a bit more than I do!

I have no frame of reference really so hard to know.



Posted 22nd May 2013 at 14:52
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I wouldlook atthe fact tom fitted a cam belt at cg cars before sale after stating my Peugeot main dealer mechanic didnt know how to set a cambelt up... Wouldnt be at all suprised itsbeen set up wrong again as its had 3 belts on it in last 3 years, and for the record I will bet the second belt was right as it went like a scorned cat unlike when I had it with the timing out...



You sir are a prize bell end. I set them to the factory settings which is where they should be etc, I don't go down the round of advancing this and that etc.

To the op, if you are local and want me to check it I will do it for you foc, I will do this and prove it will be correct, jesus, I have fitted more belts etc to these engines than I care to remember.

Yippee you have a large mouth, one day I will meet you in person and fill it!!!!Thumbs up


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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 15:48
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LOL

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 15:51
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LOL

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 16:07
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Post #36
mechanical_repairs wrote:
yippeekayay wrote:
I wouldlook atthe fact tom fitted a cam belt at cg cars before sale after stating my Peugeot main dealer mechanic didnt know how to set a cambelt up... Wouldnt be at all suprised itsbeen set up wrong again as its had 3 belts on it in last 3 years, and for the record I will bet the second belt was right as it went like a scorned cat unlike when I had it with the timing out...



You sir are a prize bell end. I set them to the factory settings which is where they should be etc, I don't go down the round of advancing this and that etc.

To the op, if you are local and want me to check it I will do it for you foc, I will do this and prove it will be correct, jesus, I have fitted more belts etc to these engines than I care to remember.

Yippee you have a large mouth, one day I will meet you in person and fill it!!!!Thumbs up


Carl


I did read that wrong then?

I thought he said you did it right but the other "Peugeot Place" in Leicester didnt.
It was a hard read though Smile

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 16:29
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Fair enough Carl. Before you decide to physically assault someone do remember that not all you send out the door is good. Some of it is bloody awful, Brendan's Nile front end repair for example.

As for this particular work - I'm sure we'll find out if its timing or not sooner or later. You appear to get things right more often than not, otherwise you'd be out of business.

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 17:04
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adam b wrote:
Fair enough Carl. Before you decide to physically assault someone do remember that not all you send out the door is good. Some of it is bloody awful, Brendan's Nile front end repair for example.

As for this particular work - I'm sure we'll find out if its timing or not sooner or later. You appear to get things right more often than not, otherwise you'd be out of business.


That was a repair made to a bent chassis leg, I had to keep that repair to a set cost, plus the jigging work was outsourced, personally I thought the repair was done to a cost and looked good for what it was, it was straight and true, paintwork nice etc, yet another car the customer never got in touch and let me know he wasn't happy, this is the first I have heard of it.

what was actually the complaint out of interest?

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 17:16
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I will ask him to get in touch.

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 17:24
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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 17:33
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adam b wrote:
I will ask him to get in touch.



Yes please do, why didn't he get in touch at the time, is he a friend of yours then, seems odd as when it left here he took it Peugeot for some bits and pieces.

Get him to drop me an email, I remember the car as it was a track day at cadwell if I remember right, cracking day. just a shame he had an off.

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 17:39
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Yes, in the local psooc group. Will speak to him, won't be for a few weeks now.

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 17:45
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To CG

From my receipts I have here the car has had two timing belts fitted by you guys, one in 2009 and one Nov 2012.

the last one was fitted when Tom had the car, and it has only done 3000 miles since then. He also mentioned some sort of cam overlap thing with yippe I think somewhere over the past year on this forum, not sure what this is about?

Not sure if it was or has ever been a rolling road since then, but it now gives less than 140 fly horsepower. So something is wrong.

I am going to get it checked by someone local to me who knows his stuff.

As I did not pay for this I can have no comeback, it could clearly be a damn worn out engine, but that seems odd.

Comp check, see if headgasket is out, then hopefully we might be able to check the less obvious.

It does not miss a beat, starts fine, doesn't burn oil and revs cleanly, the graph was as you would expect, just 30 bloody hp down!


Posted 22nd May 2013 at 17:54
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To CG

From my receipts I have here the car has had two timing belts fitted by you guys, one in 2009 and one Nov 2012.

the last one was fitted when Tom had the car, and it has only done 3000 miles since then. He also mentioned some sort of cam overlap thing with yippe I think somewhere over the past year on this forum, not sure what this is about?

Not sure if it was or has ever been a rolling road since then, but it now gives less than 140 fly horsepower. So something is wrong.

I am going to get it checked by someone local to me who knows his stuff.

As I did not pay for this I can have no comeback, it could clearly be a damn worn out engine, but that seems odd.

Comp check, see if headgasket is out, then hopefully we might be able to check the less obvious.

It does not miss a beat, starts fine, doesn't burn oil and revs cleanly, the graph was as you would expect, just 30 bloody hp down!





if you have the registration number and date to hand I will check the invoice and see whats what, both dates would be great.

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 18:01
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Hey cock breath.. thats a nicer response to when I asked you to look at your shoddy Workmanship 18. Months ago ... if I am wrong take me to court as I assure you, knob schoffer, theres enough evidence on this site to keep trading standards busy for months on end. You can visit me anytime scrote. Funny enough I will be local real soon and we will discuss this face to face anytime and as near you as you like. Sort this guys car out and it might make up for some of what you do...count yourself very lucky james didn't fill you in and as a side be carefula when you make threats like that to me you will receive a visit from me. I stated facts about an occurrence that substantiates multiple claims on this site over the years

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 18:17
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Post #46
How did the car fuel when monitored on the rollers? If your cam timing is far enough out to lose that kind of power it would show up on that.

It could be a combination of things contributing to the low power rather than just one problem.

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 18:18
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Guys please keep this pleasant eh, this is my vehicle now, as far as I know nothing was done wrong, and if it was I will find out soon.

Would rather a public slang was not put into this thread thanks.

Ryan, fuelling seemed fine, lambda readouts were pretty good!
Posted 22nd May 2013 at 19:50
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I wouldn't think your timing being out is the problem then to be honest as it wouldn't be fueling correctly if it was far enough out to lose that. Also gotta agree with whoever said above that if it was that far out your engine would be f**ked.

I think your on the right track with a compression test definitly as a precautionary check then personally I'd get it on another set of rollers to confirm you even have a problem.

I can't see a car fueling good, running as sweet as you say and being that down on power, it just doesn't make sense.

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Posted 22nd May 2013 at 20:42
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Lol tell me about it, but to also add I don't know much about these things, you might get in it and say its running like a bag!!

Posted 22nd May 2013 at 21:09
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If you need my address its in my sig, I am there 9-6 Monday to Friday and 9-2 on Saturdays, lets see how manly you really are. Trading standards heh, think you have to give the garage a chance to put any issues right before you can go that route, ah yes, never seen any of these cars so yep that's correct nothing to follow up on.

Plus this shoddy workman ship on a car that I did work on for a previous owner (Jamie) he used it for track days etc with no issues, where does your mate come into this? He has no contract with me, although I did ask him to let me look at it and see what's what, he chose not to, what more can I do? Exactly, not a lot.

I love the way you seem to take on other people's issues! Childish names make you look great on a computer too, put the keyboard down.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

To the op if you need any help etc or just a chat gimme a call I am sure we can sort out what's what, if the car starts and drives ok and has no real issues so to speak it can't be a great deal that's wrong with it.

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