Generally I find that it doesnt give the same good running feeling that i get after running though a tank of bp 97 or vpower 99.
On those my car runs sweet as a peach
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #51
I have,Generally I find that it doesnt give the same good running feeling that i get after running though a tank of bp 97 or vpower 99. On those my car runs sweet as a peach ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 10:46
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braymond
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Post #52
I put this gear in yesterday, and about 10 miles later (and since) my car is misfiring and spluttering. Feels very similar to the robbing of power anything over 1/3 revs you get with big exhaust failure. Try to open the throttle any more that that and you just get a noisy high frequency throbbing, with not much affect on acceration. Coincidence??________________________________________ Rallye-RNurburgring article |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 11:09
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RetroPug
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Post #53
I've run both my 306s on 95RON and 97RON and have noticed little difference between the two, if any, in terms of running & performance. MPG was higher but then so was the cost, and MPG was always s**t if driving the car at any sort of brisk pace regardless of fuel.________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 12:00
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heliosphan
Senior User Location: UK Registered: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 950 Status: Offline |
Post #54
daver6 wrote: I thought 306's were for 97 anyway, so have always used super In the handbook it states 95 or 98 can be used. They have a knock sensor don't they? So the engine can use either quite happily as I understand it. 95 FTW. |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 12:02
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RetroPug
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Post #55
tompaltridge wrote: daver6 wrote: I thought 306's were for 97 anyway, so have always used super In the handbook it states 95 or 98 can be used. They have a knock sensor don't they? So the engine can use either quite happily as I understand it. 95 FTW. Pretty much this. I don't feel that the small increase in MPG offsets the extra cost, and that's driving sensibly and getting good MPG. ________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 12:04
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beez_neez_gt
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Post #56
But the engine will be cleaner using the higher V power fuel.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 12:25
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #57
Im pretty sure that hardbook says that 97 is preferable,Where as everyother handbook ive seen has said optional. Personally, my car feels a lot happier on 97+ Particularly at idle and midrange ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 12:28
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RetroPug
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Post #58
beez_neez_gt wrote: But the engine will be cleaner using the higher V power fuel. Why? I'm sure V-Power claims to clean the engine etc. etc. but in reality all fuels have some amount of detergent added. ________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 15:17
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beez_neez_gt
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Post #59
Less carbon build up and what fills the 3% left over from the 97 ron?________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 15:22
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RetroPug
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Post #60
beez_neez_gt wrote: Less carbon build up and what fills the 3% left over from the 97 ron? Why would there be less carbon build-up, timing is retarded for 95RON and combustion is just as complete. I'm not sure what you mean with the second part. ________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 15:24
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beez_neez_gt
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Post #61
Because it burns cleaner, more ignition that lower-grade fuel. Iv seen heads used with this fuel and they do look cleaner which makes the engine more efficientAt a guess the RON means the flammable side of the fuel, so 100 RON would mean a higher rating of flammability, quicker and cleaner. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 15:33
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pebbles167
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Post #62
Swear I read somewhere its actually harder to burn higher octane fuels. I know that sounds stupid, but I've got it in my head for some reason. Something to do with ability to handle higher rises in temperature, resulting in a lower probability of pre ignition and self ignition.My EVO was designed to run on 97 or higher. Pretty sure my bike is made to run on 95. ________________________________________ 2005 Peugeot 206 GTI 1802008 BMW K1200R |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 16:31
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daver6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 08 Aug 2010 Posts: 2,379 Status: Offline |
Post #63
Read the American manual for your bike. I'm sure the US spec R6 was 87!________________________________________ Red Rallye - Rolling "restoration"Wishbone Polybushes available |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 16:40
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heliosphan
Senior User Location: UK Registered: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 950 Status: Offline |
Post #64
eliotrw wrote: Im pretty sure that hardbook says that 97 is preferable No mention of 98 being preferable over 95. heliosphan has attached the following image: |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 17:47
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eliotrw
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Post #65
Cant read that tbh?________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 19:37
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beez_neez_gt
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Post #66
Ironic that the quality of that picture is s**t lol.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 19:46
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phillipm
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Post #67
beez_neez_gt wrote: Because it burns cleaner, more ignition that lower-grade fuel. Iv seen heads used with this fuel and they do look cleaner which makes the engine more efficient At a guess the RON means the flammable side of the fuel, so 100 RON would mean a higher rating of flammability, quicker and cleaner. Exactly the opposite. High RON fuels on a map for low RON fuel can actually result in slightly less power as it tends to have a slower flame front speed. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 20:01
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stan_306gti6
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Post #68
I'm going to try some of this tomorrow in the bike. I'll see how it goes...________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 21:43
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davedgti6
Seasoned Pro Location: whiston, prescot Registered: 28 May 2006 Posts: 1,651 Status: Offline |
Post #69
Used this yesterday on a 150 mile round trip, felt no different to the old V Power tbh ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6™ |
Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 21:48
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heliosphan
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Posted 22nd Apr 2013 at 21:52
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RetroPug
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Post #71
beez_neez_gt wrote: Because it burns cleaner, more ignition that lower-grade fuel. Iv seen heads used with this fuel and they do look cleaner which makes the engine more efficient At a guess the RON means the flammable side of the fuel, so 100 RON would mean a higher rating of flammability, quicker and cleaner. RON is the octane number, which has to do with the length of the hydrocarbon chains. The higher the octane number, the more resistant to auto-ignition (knocking) the fuel is. The higher the octance number, the larger the hydrocarbon chain and the more time it takes to burn, hence the need for a knock sensor to take different RON fuels: the timing is advanced for higher octance fuels and retarded for lower octance fuels. The increase in MPG comes from each individual hydrocarbon chain being longer and as a result there is more energy to be released by combustion per litre of fuel (it has a higher specific energy). The octance number does not, however, have anything to do with how cleanly the fuel burns. Things like shell's v-power probably do have more expensive and different additives though. If they were the same price, or cheap to the point that the higher octance fuels were still very cheap despite being more expensive, I'd buy v-power and the like due to the better additives etc. There isn't any harm in using 95RON though. pebbles167 wrote: Swear I read somewhere its actually harder to burn higher octane fuels. I know that sounds stupid, but I've got it in my head for some reason. Something to do with ability to handle higher rises in temperature, resulting in a lower probability of pre ignition and self ignition. My EVO was designed to run on 97 or higher. Pretty sure my bike is made to run on 95. Higher octance fuels are harder to ignite (they ignite at a higher temperature and pressure). The reason that race cars can only run on race fuel is that they typically run higher compression ratios, and if you used normal road fuel it would auto-ignite and knock before TDC due to the higher pressures during the compression stroke. ________________________________________ 61k miles Ph.1 Diablo '6 Project Thread |
Posted 23rd Apr 2013 at 10:14
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pebbles167
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Post #72
Nice to know I wasnt too far off the mark ________________________________________ 2005 Peugeot 206 GTI 1802008 BMW K1200R |
Posted 23rd Apr 2013 at 11:10
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mattgti6phase2
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Post #73
97+ suits the nice high compression ratio of a 6 engine perfect then. Mine certainly idles better and pulls better mid range. I can also report better MPG I use nothing other than v power or esso supreme. ________________________________________ Team Nile 6Team: 40.2 MPG 5 x a 306 owner! currently abusing type r's in a town near you ™ I truely live for the 306 ® Build date: 29th October 1997 Wednesday's car midweek madness |
Posted 23rd Apr 2013 at 11:19
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phillipm
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Post #74
Penny to a pound you'll notice nothing but placebo without putting the engine on a calibration dyno.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
Posted 23rd Apr 2013 at 11:23
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beez_neez_gt
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Post #75
Something must be working well then as using V power always one, makes the car a bit quicker and two i get more miles out of it. Must be the additives making the engine cleaner, so there is more than one reason to use it rather than the low grade stuff.From what i remember we only used to get unleaded back in the 90's, not super ?? ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 23rd Apr 2013 at 11:32
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