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whibley

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I've brought my self a half decent 205 with head gasket failure, I'm a bit undecided on the plan of attack I'm huge fan of keeping things the way they should be and original. I've always wanted to sample the 205 with a gti6 dropped in it see how fast they are and how much fun they are to drive compared to the standard 205 1.6 and 1.9 ino its going to be a whole faster for sure, but what would you lot recommend:

Fix the little 1.6

Upgrade to the 1.9 keeping some of the originality

Or treat my self to the gti6 conversion

Thanks jase

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Posted 17th Feb 2013 at 16:53

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Depends on how original the car is to start with. Personally, if you're not looking at it as an investement given the increaseing prices, I would keep it standard looking but slap a 6 in it.

They are fairly rapid, nothing mental, but with some decent suspension mods it will take a good wedge of cash to be quicker round a twisty track or country lane. Certainly quicker than the 8 valve thats in it for sure.

I don't see the point in putting a 1900cc in it, as you will have lost its originality and might as well put a 16v in it for the extra power.

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Posted 17th Feb 2013 at 17:23

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As above.

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Posted 17th Feb 2013 at 17:26

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Personally, I'd keep it standard and fix it up. No point in upgrading to 1900 imo. Just buy a 1900. And if i had the choice, I'd buy a 205 gti6 already converted.
Reason is I loved my 1600. Wasn't the fastest car in the world but a whole load of fun with that revvy engine.

Posted 17th Feb 2013 at 17:26

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whibley

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Its standard apart from the speedlines that are on it,I understand what your saying about the 1900 engine, I plan on keeping her for a good few years hopefully as I missed the last one I sold over 5 years ago always and wanted another every time I seen one drive past me on the road, I have read up on the 16v conversion I don't seem to bad to do just a bit of confusion on what's needed because of the 1.6 like what driveshafts ect.

What gearbox would your recommend I take the 6 is a no no due to the turning circle

Thanks jase

Posted 17th Feb 2013 at 18:11

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Xsara VTS box is usually a good choice similar ratios to the 6 speed but you don't loose the steering lock. Plus it's direct figment and can be sourced for pennies Wink

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Posted 17th Feb 2013 at 23:02

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VTS gearbox is more similar to the MI16 gearbox in ratios than the GTI6 gearbox.

Fitting a new head gasket into the 8v will be pretty simple as long as the head bolts aren't seized in or snap undoing them. Fitting a gti6 engine will take a lot more planning, research and work, and money for that matter.

If you cant do the head gasket yourself then it should cost around the £300 mark to get a good place to fit one for you.

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Posted 17th Feb 2013 at 23:35

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armzs16 wrote:

Xsara VTS box is usually a good choice similar ratios to the 6 speed but you don't loose the steering lock. Plus it's direct figment and can be sourced for pennies Wink

No it's not a direct fitment and they can't be sourced for pennies (unlike a 6 speed 'box)

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Posted 18th Feb 2013 at 18:15

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Gti6. No question

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Posted 18th Feb 2013 at 18:36

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Very simple conversion to do.

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Posted 18th Feb 2013 at 18:43

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Buy my xsara then you've got an engine box brakes and rack, all you need Wink

Posted 18th Feb 2013 at 18:49

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whibley

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i did the love how my 1st 205 1.6 drove untill it got smacked by a lexus on a mini round about Sad

Im rather tempted by the 6 conversion seen one go round curborough last year, ive alredy got the engine well its in two halves anyways, what would i need to do the conversion with it being a 1.6 do i need the 1.9 hubs for the gti6 brakes ect also how much would i be looking to pay for a vts gearbox as they seem to hold there money well

thanks for the replys on sorting my crisis out LOL

Posted 18th Feb 2013 at 19:09

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Yea mate get Ratty's VTS conversion makes life soo much simpler buying everything you need from one person !

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Posted 19th Feb 2013 at 11:46

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Agree with dendle... Buy it in one hit.. Also have a thermostat adaptor for 25 squids if you need one.

Other advice as a 205 nut....1.6 original 205s are starting to be very few and far between so as in the case of my miami1.9 I am leaving it completely standard.

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I wouldnt say its a very simple converstion at all, maybe for the well experienced diy'er. Theres the manifold, loom, driveshafts, master cylinder, coolant pipe set up, altinator belt, making the dash gauges as accurate as possible by using 205 sensors where ever possible. Then trying to find those little bits like 205 oil pressure sensor that is NFP and thermostate pipe connector. Not to mention all the possible running problems with engine sensors etc, depends on which gearbox to use as well.

I wouldnt say its hard to do, it just isnt very simple from my experience.

Plus original 1.6's are becoming rare, they do tend to get converted more than the 1.9's.

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Posted 19th Feb 2013 at 12:19

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205 oil pressure mushroom sensor is available for £9 new from Andrew Page, i've got the part number written down at home after struggling to find it at other places. you're always gonna encounter problems with a conversion but it's all fixable. read less hysteria on forums and spend more time making stuff to workaround problems Yes

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Posted 19th Feb 2013 at 12:28

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dangti6

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beez_neez_gt wrote:

All available off the shelf with no structural work required. No part of it really requires any skills IMO once you've read up on it. If you look at some marques, conversions require fabrication of some kind. These can be done without.

I appreciate not all people will buy a plug and play loom, or a reangled manifold etc, but it can all be purchased ready to fit straight on if confidence doesn't permit. The more you are prepared/skilled to do, the cheaper it becomes but the point I am making is a novice would struggle to make a hash of it.

Nothing involving a bit of effort can ever be classed as simple, but gather all the parts and there isn't a huge amount of man hours in it.

The most challenging part if I had to come up with one to give an example was probably having to cut the fan housing down to fit the inlet manifold in.

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Posted 19th Feb 2013 at 12:45

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so why has it taken you a year so far rikky to even get the engine in? not sure why, not sure.

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rikky wrote:

so why has it taken you a year so far rikky to even get the engine in? not sure why, not sure.

Cos ur a deranged manc who spends too
Much time talkin to urself in the third person on a car forum?? Dunno

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He doesn't live for the 205.

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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 09:00

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Just my 2p, the 1.9 Mi16 is a far better suited engine to 205s than the GTi6/VTS lump. Ultimately it might not make the faster car, but the characteristics of the engine make is a far more enjoyable machine to drive.

Also with the VTS gearbox, you'll need to change the clutch lever mechanism from a push to a pull type, and also one of the selector arms will need changing, but these can be taken off the gearbox already attached to your 1.6 so it's not such a problem.

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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 09:15

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rikky wrote:

'Rikky' back in the day........

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Posted 25th Feb 2013 at 09:51

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