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Teshboi1988

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right basically heard a tapping noise few months ago, did not feel lose in power felt fine. but there was an annoying tapping. so i bought another head reconditioned its been skimmed, do i need a thicker head gasket? i dont know how much it got skimmed by etc, how would i measure it and what with?

and basically you cant get top end timing wrong can you if there aligned with the timing holes?? can you

il do my usual checks and make sure my bottom pulley is ok and make sure its TDC.

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Posted 5th Feb 2013 at 19:47
bas_306gti

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on the right and left side of the head there are two notches, they indicate if there the head still can be skimmed.

Look out that you do not bend the valves when rotating the cams (valves touching each other) and use the timing holes to align everthing up.
Posted 5th Feb 2013 at 19:53
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As Bas says, there are two cutouts at either end of the head where you have rough casting next to the gasket face of the head. If the gasket face has been skimmed level with the rough casting the head has reached maximum skim tolerance. Yes

As for putting it back together, you will need to pin the cams and then fit the head with the cams pinned.
Be VERY careful when you fit the head that you don't contact an open valve against the top of the block as this will bend it. Also, make sure that once the head is fitted that you DO NOT rotate any cams independently of each other as the valves will tangle and also bend.

As for setting the timing of the engine, don't set it to TDC, the std bottom end setting is all pistons at half stroke, 1 and 4 on the way up. Make sure you can pin the bottom pulley and that the pulley woodruff key points to 9 o'clock if the pulley was a clock. If it doesn't then the timing hole in the pulley has slipped and will either need a new one or you can do it using the positioning of the woodruff key, but if you do this, ask on here first for further advice before you go down this route.

Hope this helps,

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Posted 5th Feb 2013 at 21:09
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There is a set position for the cams to be fitted in, that saves you pinning the pulleys and risking valve damage as you fit the headThumbs up

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Posted 5th Feb 2013 at 21:54
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coskev wrote:
There is a set position for the cams to be fitted in, that saves you pinning the pulleys and risking valve damage as you fit the headThumbs up


Yes, this is true. You could also fit the head with no cams and then fit them afterwards. A lot of people do it this way as well.

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Posted 5th Feb 2013 at 23:37
Teshboi1988

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thanks for the advise guys.

as for the head gasket. if it has not reached the notches a standard gasket be ok?. or would i need a thicker one? or doesnt it matter?

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Posted 6th Feb 2013 at 07:31
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It matters Yes

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Posted 6th Feb 2013 at 07:35
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A standard gasket will be fine if it hasn't reached the maximum skim notches, but a thicker repair gasket will be needed if it has already reached this situation. Yes

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Posted 6th Feb 2013 at 07:58
Teshboi1988

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ok cool il have a look after work.

what would happen if it has not reached maximum skim and a thicker gasket is used? (i understand what you guys are saying just wondering what would happen)

really appreciate all the help =]

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Posted 6th Feb 2013 at 08:29
coskev

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It would be slightly down on compression.

Why would you fit a repair gasket if not needed?Dunno

You realise the J4RS uses a metal multi layer gasket as standard?Thumbs up

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Posted 6th Feb 2013 at 09:10
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My f**ked engine thread

See here, Post #85 from Welsh with some useful headgasket measurements and thickness

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Posted 6th Feb 2013 at 09:17
Teshboi1988

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yea i no its a multi layered steel gasket.

and for the notches on the face as you can see the valves. the notches are barely visible. so if im looking at it properly and they are the notches you guys are talking about i think il need a thicker head gasket.

anyone know where i can buy a thicker gasket from?

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Posted 7th Feb 2013 at 07:44
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Teshboi1988 wrote:
yea i no its a multi layered steel gasket.

and for the notches on the face as you can see the valves. the notches are barely visible. so if im looking at it properly and they are the notches you guys are talking about i think il need a thicker head gasket.

anyone know where i can buy a thicker gasket from?


PugThumbs up

IIRC is more expensive than a standard oneDunno

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Posted 7th Feb 2013 at 09:01
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coskev wrote:
Teshboi1988 wrote:
yea i no its a multi layered steel gasket.

and for the notches on the face as you can see the valves. the notches are barely visible. so if im looking at it properly and they are the notches you guys are talking about i think il need a thicker head gasket.

anyone know where i can buy a thicker gasket from?


PugThumbs up

IIRC is more expensive than a standard oneDunno


Or Rich w Thumbs up
Posted 7th Feb 2013 at 09:13
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Pug is cheaper than all unless you get a victor reinz with decent discount, no need for one of rich's expensive ones, you need to measure or ask how much was skimmed if you know its never been apart, going by the notch is not accurate enough.

Thicker gaskets are fibre, and tbh there is no issue at all using them as many dont give a decent enough surface finish to work well, fibre is more tolerant.

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Posted 7th Feb 2013 at 11:23
Teshboi1988

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no way of telling or finding out how much was skimmed. iv had this head for over a year.

fibre gasket ? i can understand how it cood be better but dont know spose i would prefer a steel

1.55mm gasket ok...?

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Posted 7th Feb 2013 at 14:07
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Teshboi1988 wrote:
no way of telling or finding out how much was skimmed. iv had this head for over a year.

fibre gasket ? i can understand how it cood be better but dont know spose i would prefer a steel

1.55mm gasket ok...?


You do know how much has been skimmed...measure the height of the head. Standard head is 137mm high, minimum is 136.8mm +/- 0.05mm.

This way you will know for sure. Yes

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Posted 7th Feb 2013 at 14:32
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1.55mm would be rather thick, given the same max is 0.25 and the standard gasket is 1.2mm, standard peugeot repair gasket is 1.4mm, there is a corteco 1.35mm gasket out there.

have also seen 1.45mm.

other than the RFS all XU engines use a fibre gasket, even the XU10J2TE's which run half a bar std and up to 1 bar very easily with simple mods without issues, and afaik the 10J4TE in the 405 T16 which runs overboost of 1.2 bar.

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Posted 7th Feb 2013 at 17:32
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coskev wrote:
There is a set position for the cams to be fitted in, that saves you pinning the pulleys and risking valve damage as you fit the headThumbs up



12 o'clock on the inlet, 3 o'clock on the exhaust. Cam cutouts.


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Posted 7th Feb 2013 at 20:20
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mechanical_repairs wrote:
coskev wrote:
There is a set position for the cams to be fitted in, that saves you pinning the pulleys and risking valve damage as you fit the headThumbs up



12 o'clock on the inlet, 3 o'clock on the exhaust. Cam cutouts.


Carl


Then if you do it this way don't go and spin the cams right round to line up the pulleys!!!No

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Posted 7th Feb 2013 at 23:05
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As Kev says, don't rotate the cams round independently of each other, you will tangle valves!

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Posted 7th Feb 2013 at 23:17
Teshboi1988

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ok cool well asked my tool man for a tool to measure the height of my head. he did have/know what to give me. whats a good measuring tool?. because obviously il need to measure up to what stan said

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Posted 8th Feb 2013 at 22:26
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Large set of verniers?

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Posted 8th Feb 2013 at 23:40
Teshboi1988

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sweet stan. will find measurements tonight, post it on here and maybe/ hopefully someone can advise me on how thick of a gasket i need

thanks people

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Posted 9th Feb 2013 at 07:55
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Not a problem. Thumbs up

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