Post #526
+1 on the spoiler
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Regular  Location: Leicester Registered: 15 Jun 2009 Posts: 385 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 7th Jul 2013 at 16:22
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #527
Well.... didnt have a lot of time, drawings are made for the cageplates, fitted one seat in place, welded the harnesmounts in place..so after the 22nd we need to sort out the cage and MOT.Tried to fit the aux belt, wich didnt fit, and we stumpled across a problem, the steeringrack was leaking like a mofo, one bolt is seriously not straight in and f**ked, i cant be bothered to change the damn whole thing. Car steers perfectly light without PAS, so i wont be using PAS, this means a smaller auxbelt can be used, this is ordered. + When i do want to use the PAS, i have another problem, that the auxbelt touches the cambeltcover bigtime.. new brakeoil and bled the brakes, and everything works the way it should be. Put the car outside to loose some of the cows**tsmell.. and picking it up again later this afternoon    |
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Posted 8th Jul 2013 at 14:45
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #528
Well, its weekend and starting to get nervous.... Monday is the big day @ DP Engineering.I really hope all goes well, and get back with a nice result Ill make pics and some clips of the mapping/dyno Wish me luck! |
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Posted 20th Jul 2013 at 11:13
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #529
It will be great cant wait to see the result going to sound epic  ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 20th Jul 2013 at 11:16
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #530
Lets hope so mate, if everything goes well ill make some nice flyby clips next week |
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Posted 20th Jul 2013 at 13:46
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #531
I kinda missed the hugeassintercoolerinyoface look, and everytime i hosed the car down, the black intercooler looked tacky + the stonechips it will be getting.... i decided to go silver again.Its a lot LESS stealthy then the black one,But this should be a small giveaway to mr Porsche/Ferrari not to f**k with this French pos..+ there wont be much stealthy about this thing when the screamerpipes comes to life  I still need to have a proper catchtank made, i think ill be making something like the PAS reservoir thats now binned, theres enough room for a nice tank there.  Also finally found a snorkel and fitted that one as well to get some more cooling air into the bay,modded the catchtank so i can fit a small filter, so the oildamp can vent  Dont mind the frontbumper, its still loose since i cant get onto the trailer with it on, so ill leave it @ home on Monday   Also changed the xenonbulbs from 4300 to 8000  Let us pray for a good result on Monday, i want to drive it so bad, and would be gutted if something went beng... |
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Posted 20th Jul 2013 at 16:23
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #532
Woehahahah 300bhp? Stock engine can easily take 400bhp with only decomp, 400 is the bare minimum for monday... The S16 turbo of Eric, with only decompplate did 466bhp and everything then was still spot on, EGT , no knock etc etc.. and that thing still lives and has been abused more then a polish streethooker addicted on crack |
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Posted 20th Jul 2013 at 18:16
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #533
my pistons are modified , so no decompplate, but 8.1 compressionUhmm not going to 1.7 bar... around 1.2-1,4 should see around 420-440 hopefully if the damn thing doesnt blow up lol! |
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Posted 20th Jul 2013 at 19:48
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #534
06:00 a nice beautifull day lies in front of us, to begin the 3 hours drive to DP Engineering to get the pos mapped finally..Suns coming up  Quick leak during the trip and to get something to drink  Nicely waxed towcar Arrival @ DP Engineering, i already had a encounter with a ricer.... To fast to furious  First Pieter had a look and uploaded the VEMS with the latest firmware, then did a general check of the sensors etc.  Lambda wasnt preheating properly, so we ditched the "old" one and installed a fresh one , preheating problems solved.    Decided to start the car, and it was running rough... mostly on 3 cylinders, and smoking quite bad... Checked everything again, ingnition wasnt set correct, sorted that, and it ran better but still only on 3 cylinders, and still smoking. Marvin banging his head on the roof... French pos!  Did a compressioncheck just to be sure and everything was good, did some more checks to find out injector nr3 wasnt doing s**t, hence the 3 cylindering. Well put in 4 x new 660cc injectors, and voila running nicely and throaty on 4 cylinders, at this stage the exhaust really came to live, and it sounds GREAT!, already you can hear this thing means business. Pieter, installing new connectors to the injectorloom to fit the new injectors  Time to install the dynapackaxles onto the hubs, and get ready for some serious loudnes   Time to let the car warm up again, and some coolantleakage on the front :S Had a look under the car and the radhose that we modified, was leaking on the plastic T piece, couldnt repair it, so it means Pieter has to weld something to replace the plastic piece and also install a new thermostat since were not quite trusting the ones that in there. So decided to leave the car @ DP, Pieter will repair the radiatorhose and install the thermostat and start to map the car next week. If everything goes oke, im picking the car up on Monday and drive it back home.. s**t happens and i already expected something like this, since almost nothing during this project went ok in one time. So hopefully Pieter can work his magic in the upcoming week Will update soon |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 21:06
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #535
i was expecting to read something terrible when i saw your revised title lol, at least your only having minor teething problems, good luck for next week and don't forgot to post some dyno videos! |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 21:20
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #536
Ah, it was just a little dissapointing, and again more money down the drain... since 4 new injectors are NOT cheap, a new Lambda, forgot to mention we also had to drain the "new" expensive oil, since it was drenched with gasoline of the car running abnormal rich ( also the 3injector maybe p**sing/faulting) Pieter said, we should be able to see 400 ATW, which is around 465bhp at the crank, but i dont think i want to go that far. Im happy with something slightly over 400bhp |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 21:25
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jimmyrallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: portsmouth Registered: 19 Apr 2008 Posts: 3,144 Status: Offline |
Post #537
Bummer dude have been waiting for this update all day can't wait to see what it's running________________________________________ "Police arrested two kids yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off." |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 21:37
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #538
still can't get my head around the fact that these engines can cope with well over double factory power with no more than decomp plates or machined pistons. i reckon the high boost supercharge boys would easily get away it too. |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 21:40
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #539
T99Pug, there were 2 HIGH BOOST SC 306s on the dyno @ DP, one saying around 450, car didnt even had 330 on the dyno (uk cars!)Other one was around 390bhp and didnt even have 320 @ the crank The old 205 S16 Turbo from Eric, who did 404BHP @ the wheels, wich is 466bhp crank, was also a stock engine, with decompplate and had already 120.000 MILES! 200.000km!!! |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 21:47
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #540
and here was me thinking it went bang on the rollers lol. So are you saying that 2 "400" bhp high boost 306's have been proven to actually be running nearer 320bhp? i keep thinking about just running a decomp plate in mine and seeing what happens tbh. ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGED Seat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 22:06
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
Post #541
armzs16 wrote: and here was me thinking it went bang on the rollers lol. So are you saying that 2 "400" bhp high boost 306's have been proven to actually be running nearer 320bhp? i keep thinking about just running a decomp plate in mine and seeing what happens tbh. Try it! if it does let go then its not the end of the world, it seems it's a proven fact that these engines can handle ALOT of power. I personally know someone who is running a 6 turbo with 8valve turbo pistons. makes just over 340bhp and gets abused everywhere it goes, nothing within the engine has failed so far and it too has 4 years under it's belt |
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Posted 22nd Jul 2013 at 22:22
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marco gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Troisvierges Registered: 09 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,350 Status: Offline |
Post #542
Just had my heart droping down my pants when i read your new thread title. Seems all is good thou... Honestly I am not really looking forward to getting mine rr'ed when I read what the HB 6's did on the hub dyno. Did Pieter had any low boost rotrex converted 6 on the dyno yet and if so what power have they made? I guess decomp plate smaller pulley and larger restrictor ring will be the answer then as I find that one only starts to notice. The power above the 4k rpm mark. |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 06:31
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #543
I dont want to burst anyones bubble but the supposedly 450bhp sc was from the owner of the company who makes the kits, he wasnt even close to what he said he had.Birk was very right that most sced 6s dont get near to what the kit claims. Even the atspeed 106 didnt perform to what they claim on the dynapack. A simple 106 with gt2871r and dp intake and decompplate does easily 422bhp, one from bas easily 466, s16 from eric on stock motor with 120.000miles on it! 404bhp at the wheels which is 465 crank So i dont know who made it up that an engine needs forged parts for over 250/300 bhp The s16 underblock is perfect for boost and can take silly abuse boostwise, he says on ron98 with decent mapping 400bhp all day long. On e85 around 100 more safe. |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 08:58
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro  Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #544
Turbos ftw always said it the sc cars are gutless and now proven________________________________________ |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 09:04
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Takedown
Senior User Location: Holland Registered: 18 Oct 2012 Posts: 845 Status: Offline |
Post #545
I know what a certain person has paid for his sc conversion, and its crazy money for what it brings bhp wise. |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 11:38
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,865 Status: Offline |
Post #546
Takedown wrote: Birk was very right that most sced 6s dont get near to what the kit claims. There is literally no evidence to support this fact other than Birks own car not making the power. As for people being amazed at how a car can handle the power its why is it that much of a shock? We already know the standard crank puts up with 450hp all day long, What takedown has is an engine with the same spec as a Super high boost albeit without forging? Why is this so hard to grasp? Just because it works, doesnt mean you are going to sell that to a customer, I completely respect what Rich is doing and lets be honest lets look at the results, Its way above the reliability that you expect from a 400hp odd 306 and very few of them have gone bang becuase its obviously over engineered to a degree, Thats what being a respectable tuner is all about. Just becuase you can doesnt make it the best idea. Incidently, Theres nothing exciting or new about getting a xu10j4rs and turboing it with standard internals, Those guuys from brazil had standard engines at 500hp with 10:8.1 compression. Yes it was ethanol but obviously it worked ok. My SC conversion will have cost me less than £2300 when i'm done and for 80-100hp i think thats very good bang for buck. ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 12:01
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superchargedblack1997gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: guildford Registered: 15 Aug 2009 Posts: 2,376 Status: Offline |
Post #547
This is all word of mouth! Of course Dp are going to slate the supercharger conversions they rely on selling there products ie there manifolds and turbochargers there not going to promote someone elses product. They say that a highboost was supposed to be making 450 what a load of absolute bo***cks even with water meth binozs only made 460! Those two high boost cars on hub dyno so 18% fwd transmisson makes it approx 390 bhp not far away from the 400 bhp which it's supposed to be ! Petes car made 248bhp as a low boost to be fair you probably could use a standard engine with a decompression plate but youre still opening the engine to fit that so worth uprating internals for peace of mind to be fair though why not give it a go? as Elliot said RichW sold these highboosts overengineered as any tuner will i beleive the spec of a highboost is much stronger than it needs to be i for one know that my Forged engine is specked for 600bhp! I may ask Pugheaven if hell put RichW old car on rolling road just to find out what it's pushing out i personally think it will hit 430 odd bhp from how it felt last time i was in it. Who was the owner of the kits Takedown because there's not just one manufacture any more and why were british cars taken to Dp for Dynoing many miles from home not like its just down the road? I for one am hoping that you hit great figures on your car takedown and with the spec you have you really should but if you're pushing 400odd on a standard bottom end what could youre car push with a forged engine ? I wouldlike you to ask the question to Dp if you could? ________________________________________ Super high boost Completed, destroyer of gearboxes and 160mph club |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 12:38
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,865 Status: Offline |
Post #548
Also for a start quite a few low boosts have made as much as 270.And zachs high boost has made 408 ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 12:34
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dcc
Senior User  Location: Wales Registered: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 502 Status: Offline |
Post #549
People are ignoring the fact that the charged engines generate their power through the rev range, the turbo engines have no chance of producing the same linear torque curve. Its partly the reason you can run NA biased cams in a supercharged engine. You could spend years arguing about chasing BHP from turb and SC cars, but at the end of the day, I would rather have a well built forged engine running a supercharger running up to 7-8krpm, with a whole rev range of power - than a stock bottom end running as much boost as possible through it, praying on the fact that the french havent built a s**tter of an engine, where the turbo power comes in one big lump, with less than half the rev range to use it...That being said, i'll stick to my own 2.3 NA build... ________________________________________ 205 GTIXsara HDI |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 12:59
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #550
Well considering ive got 5.5k of full boost to use and turbos arent all or nothing well s**te ones are i cant see how a turbo car isnt as controlabe as a sc one and as far as an n/a car goes your power band is silly small and alot of wedge for not alot of power. not that power is important torque talks power means nothing________________________________________ |
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Posted 23rd Jul 2013 at 13:11
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