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 footah212
Senior User  Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
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It would appear i've killed my bottom end whilst doing a track day.I believe this may have been due to oil starvation or surge. it is an anticlockwise circuit could this contribute to starvation or surge? Luckily i have a spare engine. But I am wondering whether a dry sump may be a worthwhile purchase. Any ideas gents? ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
 Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 12:28
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
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I've done a few trackdays on anti-clockwise circuits and not had a problem with oil surges at all. I suspect your issue is something other than that, don't forget the standard sumps are baffled to begin with.What oil were you using at the time? And when you say you've 'killed' the bottom end, in what way exactly? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 13:07
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gilesy
Seasoned Pro  Location: Greenwich - in that London Registered: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 5,133 Status: Offline |
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I only clicked on this because I thought it said dry hump. My apologies |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 13:11
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clen666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
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Depends how serious you are, they are not cheap  ________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 13:44
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playboyb
Seasoned Pro  Location: Maidstone Son! Registered: 27 Jun 2011 Posts: 1,464 Status: Offline |
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gilesy wrote: I only clicked on this because I thought it said dry hump. My apologies Makes two of us  ________________________________________ 306 1.8 xs moonstone blue-SOLD306 gti6 supercharged china blue-SOLD 406 coupe D9 3.0 V6-SOLD |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 14:34
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
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I did reverse trackday at knockhill in July. Starvation was not an issue for me. It could just be bad luck, what sort of oil temps were you seeing? As oil starts to shear at around 120 degrees......________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!!  |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 15:18
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footah212
Senior User Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Sounds like thisBAD________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 15:18
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footah212
Senior User Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
Post #8
I think it was Comma Motorsport oil.I have an oil cooler so shouldn't be that i don't think  Oil temp was about 100 deg ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 15:20
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footah212
Senior User Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
Post #9
will not be buying any dry sump at those prices£1,200  Could buy another whole 6 for that. ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 15:21
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Sounds like bad luck to be honest, how many miles has it done? ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 15:23
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footah212
Senior User Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
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jeffers wrote: Sounds like bad luck to be honest, how many miles has it done? 117,000 miles. As i say its not the end of the world cos i have a spare engine sitting on about 80,000 miles. Probably is just bad luck. Out of interest - is the oil pick up on passenger side or drivers side of a 6 engine? ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 15:28
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
Post #12
It's in the middle really but slightly to the drivers side as the engines not in the middle if you get my drift? You can see how the pickup lies here:- ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 16:08
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footah212
Senior User Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
Post #13
That looks like a handy thing that your engine is bolted to. What's it called?________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 17:10
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24seven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
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Could you have been a little low on oil in the first place? As no doubt can guess from the suggestions already, 16v XU's can be sensitive to oil level and end up surging. ________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 17:12
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midlife
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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footah212 wrote: That looks like a handy thing that your engine is bolted to. What's it called? Mary  ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!! Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker  Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 17:14
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro  Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
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footah212 wrote: That looks like a handy thing that your engine is bolted to. What's it called? Just an engine stand I'd guess. Can get them from Machine Mart etc.  ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 17:17
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #17
It is indeed an engine stand, very useful piece of equipment.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 17:41
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footah212
Senior User Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
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24seven wrote: Could you have been a little low on oil in the first place? As no doubt can guess from the suggestions already, 16v XU's can be sensitive to oil level and end up surging. Na , checked everything before I set off. ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 18:21
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footah212
Senior User Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
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midlife wrote: footah212 wrote: That looks like a handy thing that your engine is bolted to. What's it called? Mary Fairly sure he won't have named it Mary ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 18:26
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #20
On another note, why is the engine block painted bright green? ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 18:56
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midlife
Seasoned Pro Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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footah212 wrote: midlife wrote: footah212 wrote: That looks like a handy thing that your engine is bolted to. What's it called? Mary Fairly sure he won't have named it Mary You never know  ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!!Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 19:18
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midlife
Seasoned Pro Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: On another note, why is the engine block painted bright green? Because bright yellow is already taken  ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!!Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 19:23
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #23
   ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 27th Oct 2012 at 22:51
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footah212
Senior User Location: Paisley Registered: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 861 Status: Offline |
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That's an interesting bit of kit. Have you fitted that to a 6?________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi6PS3 - Black Ops 2 Engine crane for hire Renfrewshire |
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Posted 28th Oct 2012 at 08:32
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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Not yet but I will be if I ever get around to finishing my project, I have fitted them to friends cars though and they work like a charm. I'd reccommend a 4 pint version, you know how they work?________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 28th Oct 2012 at 08:38
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