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 pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #26
23 and 24 are torsion bars. I'm not sure how they worked but it's quite possible they used a torsion bar that was only maybe 12 inch long on each side. Some F1 cars used small torsion bars instead of coil springs!________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
 Posted 18th Nov 2012 at 00:28
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Rich E
Forum Admin Location: Hertfordshire Registered: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 7,757 Status: Offline |
Post #27
Yep, spot on. 1 small torsion bar on each side.________________________________________ Rich |
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Posted 18th Nov 2012 at 00:36
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #28
just like a clio  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 18th Nov 2012 at 09:13
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #29
and the original beetle, they used torsion bars, about 2 foot long ones. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 18th Nov 2012 at 16:18
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro  Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #30
emailed all the sites with the maxi airboxes but had no replies, it annoyes me no one replies!anyone know where I can get a maxi air intake and airbox? ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 20th Nov 2012 at 22:05
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #31
Andy Gwynne might be able to help, he looks after Guy Wigleys one sometimes.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 20th Nov 2012 at 22:22
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #32
you'll need a longer and better angled inlet than the longman off the shelf item for them btw.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 20th Nov 2012 at 22:23
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #33
pete_rallye wrote: and the original beetle, they used torsion bars, about 2 foot long ones. And just like the Baja beetles they ran preload adjusters in the middle of the car. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 20th Nov 2012 at 22:23
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #34
welshpug! wrote: Andy Gwynne might be able to help, he looks after Guy Wigleys one sometimes. good point I will contact him welshpug! wrote: you'll need a longer and better angled inlet than the longman off the shelf item for them btw. nah it will be fine, I would only buy a fibre glass one so it could be modified, as not sure my rad is low enough anyway, plus not paying the crazy money for the carbon ones! ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 20th Nov 2012 at 22:28
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #35
welshpug! wrote: you'll need a longer and better angled inlet than the longman off the shelf item for them btw. have you got any picture of the manifold and the intake system, searched on line but not many came up, thought I have some from pugfest but cant seem to find them. ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 22nd Nov 2012 at 21:22
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midlife
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
Post #36
  A couple of pics I had  ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!! Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker  Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 22nd Nov 2012 at 21:43
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scotzman
Seasoned Pro  Location: Dundee Registered: 24 Jun 2011 Posts: 1,408 Status: Offline |
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From Pugfest ________________________________________ '90 1.6 205 GTi, '98 306 GTi-6 |
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Posted 22nd Nov 2012 at 22:00
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #38
Can't honestly see them being any better than a standard dome filter really. You also need to consider how loud that is going to be, the induction noise on full chat at 8k rpm is way louder than exhaust noise and you may trip noise meters. I'm going for a carbon intake cover with ducting down to a filter to try and get rid of the noise. Spending £150 on a trackday and been booted off after 3 laps is no fun.________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 22nd Nov 2012 at 23:35
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midlife
Seasoned Pro Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
Post #39
520 euros for one of these bad boys... ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!!Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2012 at 01:03
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midlife
Seasoned Pro Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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Oops sorry here is the linkhttp://www.vinkmotorsport.com/webshop/category.php?id_category=189 ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!!Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2012 at 01:05
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midlife
Seasoned Pro Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
Post #41
A DIY link if your interestedhttp://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php?showtopic=110835 ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!!Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2012 at 02:32
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demondriverdan
Seasoned Pro  Location: Londinium Registered: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 2,665 Status: Offline |
Post #42
Slightly related (in terms of torsion bars in F1 cars), Caterham have a very brief (and rather s**t) video on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKt39DhgtX8&feature=g-all-u ________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2012 at 15:46
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #43
midlife wrote: yeah they are one of the 4 companies that I emailed but as yet no replies from any of them!!  midlife wrote: thanks for that, it was what I was thinking to save money!  ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2012 at 20:20
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
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pete_rallye wrote: Can't honestly see them being any better than a standard dome filter really. You also need to consider how loud that is going to be, the induction noise on full chat at 8k rpm is way louder than exhaust noise and you may trip noise meters. I'm going for a carbon intake cover with ducting down to a filter to try and get rid of the noise. Spending £150 on a trackday and been booted off after 3 laps is no fun. hmmm I disagree, the amount of cold air it will get would be unreal, plus the fast you go the more air it gets, ram air style. as for noise yes that could be a problem as I am struggling with that anyway on trackdays but then the car will be for racing so the limits ae slighly better so hopefully it would be ok. There are lots of loud cars out there and Im sure they are louder than they should be?! ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2012 at 20:38
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #45
Ram air doesn't work like that. You want a small intake with a large airbox behind for ram air.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2012 at 20:59
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Carl Chambers
Seasoned Pro Location: suffolk/norfolk Registered: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 2,897 Status: Offline |
Post #46
phillipm wrote: Ram air doesn't work like that. You want a small intake with a large airbox behind for ram air. I meant ram air as in the faster you go the air gets rammed in ________________________________________ Carl Chambersemail; pugnacious.peugeot@yahoo.co.uk . C.M.CHAMBERS CARS Peugeot Specialist Tel; 01379 586101 after 6.30 or 07889 082466 anytime. pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2012 at 21:05
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midlife
Seasoned Pro Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
Post #47
phillipm wrote: Ram air doesn't work like that. You want a small intake with a large airbox behind for ram air. Hmmm, not sure that I agree with that Jean Luc. My understanding of ram air is that you need the maximum surface area you can get to effectively collect more air at speed than the engine can consume, pressure in the airbox should then increase which in turn creates a mild forced induction effect. The air boxes on various "formula" cars have inlet size restricted in the regulations to limit any available advantage  ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!!Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 24th Nov 2012 at 12:00
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #48
That will only work at supersonic speeds, I haven't seen any 306's get close to that yet. Although the amount of development time yours has had, it should be close  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 24th Nov 2012 at 13:01
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #49
As the edit button is still broken:At subsonic speeds you want the slow the relative airstream down by allowing it to expand into a large airbox, the reduction in relative velocity leads to an increase in static pressure, obviously you still want an intake large enough not to restrict the engine air consumption, but as small as possible compared to the airbox size to maximise the pressure build. As you can imagine, that means you need to be doing some pretty serious speeds to actually get it to make a noticable difference as the engine is pulling the air out of the airbox at a fair velocity too. Even with a bloody good system you'll be lucky to get 5% at 3 figure speeds. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 24th Nov 2012 at 13:09
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midlife
Seasoned Pro Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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 ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!!Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 24th Nov 2012 at 15:01
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