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| Author | Subject: 200 bhp XU10J4RS on factory inlet/exhaust manifolds |
 JWP EFi
Turbo Legend!  Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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what would be needed to see the above? have searched on here but still a bit vague.on top of good exhaust system, im thinking piper 285 cams with remap...lets assume we dont have a skimmed head so valve to piston should be ok, iirc a certain company in Hampshire got 190 brake with lesser spec cams |
 Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 23:06
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
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Can't be done end of Anyone that says just a set of cams and a remap will get 200bhp is full of sh1t  |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 23:09
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,871 Status: Offline |
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Aftermarket pistons and better cams, mappable/mapped ecu, exhaust is fine.or go bodies and milder cams, similar result and cash outlay, even better soundtrack. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 23:09
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: Aftermarket pistons and better cams, mappable/mapped ecu, exhaust is fine. or go bodies and milder cams, similar result and cash outlay, even better soundtrack. worst case scenario - £5k for above, and for 30 brake, not really worth it forged pistons along with slight over bore to say 86.5mm plus cams and remap would see 200 bhp, yes???? Hampshire based firm not being entirely honest then... |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 23:22
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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A Hampshire based firm that's not entirely honest? What did you expect? Hang on, my firms Hampshire based, Oh shi...!________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 23:25
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,871 Status: Offline |
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5k maybe if you pay someone, i'm nearly there at 1300, modified pistons cams, bodies bought, just make a loom and a mani and map it________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 07:45
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,871 Status: Offline |
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5k maybe if you pay someone, i'm nearly there at 1300, modified pistons cams, bodies bought, just make a loom and a mani and map it________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 07:45
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: 5k maybe if you pay someone, i'm nearly there at 1300, modified pistons cams, bodies bought, just make a loom and a mani and map it take it pocketed your standard pistons? £5- tb,s 2k ecu- £600 mapping £400 cams £500 Forged pistons etc £700 plus any other bits, gaskets etc |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 08:32
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,871 Status: Offline |
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Yup.Tbs 600, ecu 500, mapping 330, cams 400, inlet depends on what you choose, from 200. A bit short of your guesstimate lol ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 08:36
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,769 Status: Offline |
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Rich_W made 207bhp on an otherwise standard engine running PT81 cams and a remap. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 13:02
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JWP EFi
Turbo Legend! Location: edinburgh Registered: 07 Mar 2010 Posts: 2,163 Status: Offline |
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So it can be done then |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 15:07
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
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It can be done on standard manifolds but just like everyone is about Pug1off's claims I would be very, very surprised if it is possible to add another ~25% power to one of these engines with simply cams and a remap especially considering the cams that will fit in a standard engine are still pretty mild.If you get your pistons pocketed, a bit wilder cam than Pt81 and a good map I don't see why it can't be done but no disrespect to Rich W, Stan or whoever believes 207 Bhp is achievable with the mod's mentioned I don't agree. A couple of others on here have got ~190bhp which I would say is more realistic. I know of a few people that have gone quite a bit further than simply fit Pt81's and Map and still only get around 200. Make sure you keep us posted with what you do decide and what you achieve from it, it would be good to see. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 15:26
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,865 Status: Offline |
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You can get 190hp with cams and map + Decat all day long as long as you sort the pistons. Its not like someone hasnt done that already.That car that has past hands more than a amsterstam prossy has 190hp. I dont see how you could get 200hp with a little more work. Maybe go into the same detail as Russian guy did and enlarge the TB and then polish the inside of the inlet. With regards to the pug 1 off claims. The car i think you are all talking about is the 205 in evo? Well that has 195hp for a start from the following "However, for an extra £1595 you can have the same motor uprated to full ‘195’ spec with high-lift, long-duration camshafts, a tubular exhaust manifold, a modified inlet housing and an ECU remap with a 7800rpm rev limit. That little lot delivers 195bhp" Frankly I dont see why not. The rev limit is raised. Theres new cams A new exhaust manifold and a map. Seems perfectly realistic to me, ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 15:56
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,871 Status: Offline |
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I don't see why they needed to raise the limit, they make peak well before the standard one.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 16:08
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,644 Status: Offline |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssaRxKV6jXk Looks like they managed it with some Catcams 4903110's. Don't know what pistons were used though. I happen to have a set which i could let go for the right money.   ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 16:26
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: I don't see why they needed to raise the limit, they make peak well before the standard one. Would it be that they have retarded the cams to avoid clearance issues thus pushing peak power higher up and the need to rev more? I know it will still tail off before 7.8k but from seeing their graphs but they do seem to have fairly good high rev figures. I don't know what the clearance is like on their choice of cams and wether that would have any bearing on it tbh but that's the only feasible reason I can think of. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 17:36
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,871 Status: Offline |
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That does make sense actually yes.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 17:42
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dangti6
aka JKshooter  Location: Taunton, Somerset Registered: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 10,308 Status: Offline |
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Don't let the figures take over.What one person had on one set of rollers could be more than a 'higher spec' car on another. ________________________________________  |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 17:59
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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This old one again, Claims are just claims and RR figures are just that, One will read different to another and on different daysI don't like fitting base spec cams as for the money you can get much better, Abit with bottom end work ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 7th Sep 2012 at 23:50
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swiftyboi006
Seasoned Pro  Location: Maidenhead Registered: 12 Apr 2010 Posts: 2,110 Status: Offline |
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Spending 5k on a N/A engine will get you a low boost s/c setup with 50more bhp and alot more torque...........no brainer________________________________________ cherry p1.....SOLD (regreting this)blaze p2.....why did i buy this SOLD Black p3 |
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Posted 9th Sep 2012 at 17:51
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,769 Status: Offline |
Post #21
The only reason you would bother spending that sort of money on N/A would be if you were limited to a series whereby you couldn't go forced induction. ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 9th Sep 2012 at 21:40
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro  Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: The only reason you would bother spending that sort of money on N/A would be if you were limited to a series whereby you couldn't go forced induction. +1 sc/turbo ftw ________________________________________ |
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Posted 9th Sep 2012 at 21:43
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,769 Status: Offline |
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I'll certainly agree with the SC.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 9th Sep 2012 at 21:55
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
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stan_306gti6 wrote: I'll certainly agree with the SC. boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo stan  ________________________________________ |
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Posted 9th Sep 2012 at 21:59
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,769 Status: Offline |
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I'm sure your turbo will be awesome mate, look forward to seeing the end result.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 9th Sep 2012 at 22:05
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