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 b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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Pug 1 off claiming to have 195 bhp and 155 lbs torque on a standard gti6 engine transplant into a 205 with cams ,tubular manifold and a remap 0 to 60 in 5.5 sec is this possible or is it tuner HYPE ? Your views opinions on this ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
 Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:35
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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With cams and manifold yes.Thats not standard then is it. Its modified. This has been done millions of times over. ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:42
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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b11 bob wrote: So if you were to fit throttle bodies to this set up what sort of bhp/torque would you get ?Pug 1 off claiming to have 195 bhp and 155 lbs torque on a standard gti6 engine transplant into a 205 with cams ,tubular manifold and a remap 0 to 60 in 5.5 sec is this possible or is it tuner HYPE ? Your views opinions on this ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:42
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rallyeash
Seasoned Pro  Location: Devizes Registered: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,424 Status: Offline |
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Maybe a touch optomistic but not un achievable ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:42
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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probably looking around similar figures torque wise with bodies but no cams, power would be around 190.but as described it certainly IS NOT STANDARD. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:46
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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eliotrw wrote: Its standard with cams internals are standard anyway.They normally have cutouts cut deeper on the pistons when going for longer duration cams.So if you dont have cutouts you get valve to piston contact although i read on here a chap called russian guy ran 194 bhp without cutouts and someone else got 191 with Kent pt81With cams and manifold yes. Thats not standard then is it. Its modified. This has been done millions of times over. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:47
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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Denis (Russian guy) has enlarged cutouts.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:48
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: So would you get say 20 bhp if you were to fit bodies to his already camed engine ?If cams gave 195 bhp and 155 lbs torque what will adding bodies give combined ?probably looking around similar figures torque wise with bodies but no cams, power would be around 190. but as described it certainly IS NOT STANDARD. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:51
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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Yeah bob but maybe the extra 4hp is coming from the manifold with (likely) ph81'sOr maybe it comes from some other part of this "Standard" engine... Funny how my "Standard" one is only 167hp eh? Must be the bore wear.... ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:52
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: Someone i think roland rat got 191 ? without cut outs with pt 81's or someone else Denis (Russian guy) has enlarged cutouts. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:53
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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anyway, is this a RR claimed guesstimate of the figures or an engine dyno?________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:54
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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Besides for all we know its got cutouts...________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:57
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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eliotrw wrote: His claim of 0 to 60 in 5.5 secs with a 195 bhp 205 is questionable to say the least but he does say hes got a qualfe diff and a lower final drive perhaps hes hitting 60 in 3rd.If thats the case he must be very quick with his gear changes 3 gear changes must take a couple of secounds to do.Also he must have a perfect launch to get 5.5 secs but then again he is a tuner trying to sell his products so he must be good Yeah bob but maybe the extra 4hp is coming from the manifold with (likely) ph81's Or maybe it comes from some other part of this "Standard" engine... Funny how my "Standard" one is only 167hp eh? Must be the bore wear.... ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 15:59
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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Just realised what car you are on about. was in evos last monthThe mods are as follows: you can have the same motor uprated to full ‘195’ spec with high-lift, long-duration camshafts, a tubular exhaust manifold, a modified inlet housing and an ECU remap with a 7800rpm rev limit. That little lot delivers 195bhp 7800 Rev limit AND modified inlet housing eh? ITs still standard though right??? http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/281950/driven_pug1off_peugeot_205_gti_195.html The 0-60 is actually 5.6 (hardly much different i know) Other mods the test car had This Pug1Off 205 (owned by proprietor Mark Davies) is pretty much fully loaded. It features £2190-worth of six-speed transmission, complete with Quaife ATB limited-slip differential, shorter final drive, rose-jointed linkages and a short-shift kit. Then there’s a £2750 suspension kit comprising Bilstein Group N gas dampers, Eibach front lowering springs, Group N strut rubbers, negative camber front and rear arms, a rebuilt solid-mounted rear beam axle, uprated torsion and anti-roll bars and a full geometry set-up. The big front brake kit uses 284mm Tarox grooved discs and 206 GTI 180 calipers, plus uprated pads and fluid (£725), while a stainless-steel exhaust system (£420) and Group N engine mounts (£156) complete what is a very serious 205 indeed. You can pick and choose how much you upgrade yours, however. ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:00
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: I just read it on the net no rolling road mentioned it got featured in evo magazine.Ironically he achives peak power at 7400 rpm which sounds about right as far has i know.anyway, is this a RR claimed guesstimate of the figures or an engine dyno? ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:04
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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So just to claify:Final drive is lower. Modified inlet and exhaust manifold High lift cams Higer rev limit Full stainless exhaust About 3k of mods there potentially.... ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:05
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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eliotrw wrote: Just realised what car you are on about. was in evos last month The mods are as follows: you can have the same motor uprated to full ‘195’ spec with high-lift, long-duration camshafts, a tubular exhaust manifold, a modified inlet housing and an ECU remap with a 7800rpm rev limit. That little lot delivers 195bhp 7800 Rev limit AND modified inlet housing eh? ITs still standard though right??? http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/281950/driven_pug1off_peugeot_205_gti_195.html The 0-60 is actually 5.6 (hardly much different i know) Yes thats the one ive just read peak power at 7400 rpm Other mods the test car had This Pug1Off 205 (owned by proprietor Mark Davies) is pretty much fully loaded. It features £2190-worth of six-speed transmission, complete with Quaife ATB limited-slip differential, shorter final drive, rose-jointed linkages and a short-shift kit. Then there’s a £2750 suspension kit comprising Bilstein Group N gas dampers, Eibach front lowering springs, Group N strut rubbers, negative camber front and rear arms, a rebuilt solid-mounted rear beam axle, uprated torsion and anti-roll bars and a full geometry set-up. The big front brake kit uses 284mm Tarox grooved discs and 206 GTI 180 calipers, plus uprated pads and fluid (£725), while a stainless-steel exhaust system (£420) and Group N engine mounts (£156) complete what is a very serious 205 indeed. You can pick and choose how much you upgrade yours, however. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:06
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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eliotrw wrote: So just to claify: Final drive is lower. Modified inlet and exhaust manifold High lift cams Higer rev limit Full stainless exhaust About 3k of mods there potentially.... Sounds right to me ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:10
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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Think we can all agree that aint standard now :pTbh i think the cams are probably not ph81's if all that other stuff gives it 4hp. ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:12
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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eliotrw wrote: Think we can all agree that aint standard now :p Tbh i think the cams are probably not ph81's if all that other stuff gives it 4hp. Without getting into a meaning less debate with you i will still class it has a standard engine based on its internals being standard although i can see why you would not call it standard due to it having cams modified manifolds etc  ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:19
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
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who cares, mine would still wipe the floor with it. ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:28
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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buzzbrightyear wrote: What have you got ? Seen your project thread car looks mint but whats the performance like and the figuers?who cares, mine would still wipe the floor with it. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:34
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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a "standard engine" means standard inlet, standard cams, standard pistons, standard rods, standard crank, standard exhaust.it does not mean cams exhaust modified inlet pistons or mapped ecu! ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:37
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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Yeah. Like mine.Second you raise rev limits ITS CLEARLY not standard. ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:39
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ballardpaul
Seasoned Pro  Location: Croydon Registered: 22 Jul 2008 Posts: 4,135 Status: Offline |
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buzzbrightyear wrote: who cares, mine would still wipe the floor with it.  ________________________________________ Phase 2 Blaze GTi 6 (Standard) SoldPhase 3 Supercharged China GTi 6 (249.8 BHP) Sold Phase 3 Supercharged Diablo GTi 6 (443 BHP)Sold Nissan 350Z (300 BHP) |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 16:45
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