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 welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #51
b11 bob wrote: welshpug! wrote: Crack on Stan, you have the power  He has 454.1bhp so he certainly has the power on a modified engine. going by your logic, its standard, after all he's on standard crank block head, even standard cams. does have a supercharger mind ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
 Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 19:52
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
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b11 bob wrote: should have rephrased to a standard engine with uprated cams instead of standard with cams lol You should of but it wasn't exactly hard to understand what you meant, just people trying to be clever. To answer your question anyway I'd say yes it's possible that they achieved those figures with the modifications you mentioned. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 19:56
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: b11 bob wrote: welshpug! wrote: Crack on Stan, you have the power He has 454.1bhp so he certainly has the power on a modified engine. going by your logic, its standard, after all he's on standard crank block head, even standard cams. does have a supercharger mind Pedantic mode on: he's on 86.5mm pistons so not standard block  ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 19:58
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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woody. wrote: Bob, so your saying that it would need bore or piston work, THEN it's a modified engine? I think you're confusing yourself mate  Thats exactly what i would call a modified engine rebore, piston,conrod etc standard is original spec or in this case standard with uprated/modified cams the rest of it is just bolt on parts with minor mods.Even these bolt on supercharger engines are standard with bolt on supercharger unless they are running serious power like Stans etc which then makes them modified engines due to uprated internals rebore,pistons etc ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 19:59
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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ryangti6 wrote: b11 bob wrote: should have rephrased to a standard engine with uprated cams instead of standard with cams lol You should of but it wasn't exactly hard to understand what you meant, just people trying to be clever. To answer your question anyway I'd say yes it's possible that they achieved those figures with the modifications you mentioned. Theres a lot of CLEVER folk on here lolAnyway if you can get 195 by essentially by just fitting a pair of cams and manifold what do you think you could get if pug1off added throttle bodies to the above ? ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:03
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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ryangti6 wrote: What size are standard pistons?welshpug! wrote: b11 bob wrote: welshpug! wrote: Crack on Stan, you have the power He has 454.1bhp so he certainly has the power on a modified engine. going by your logic, its standard, after all he's on standard crank block head, even standard cams. does have a supercharger mind Pedantic mode on: he's on 86.5mm pistons so not standard block ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:04
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro  Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:05
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #58
It's impossible to guess really especially without knowing what cams they are etc, it would be worth a phone call to Matt to get a good answer, he seems a very helpfull guy and no doubt will have tried it.________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:06
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
Post #59
Look here, http://www.catcams.co.uk/acatalog/Latest_News.html Quaife, I rather have a tea pot thank you for what use they are ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:09
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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ryangti6 wrote: I recon it will be at least 220 to 230bhp plus if fitted to throttle bodies.It's impossible to guess really especially without knowing what cams they are etc, it would be worth a phone call to Matt to get a good answer, he seems a very helpfull guy and no doubt will have tried it. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:09
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coskev
Seasoned Pro  Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
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b11 bob wrote: Anyway if you can get 195 by essentially by just fitting a pair of cams and manifold what do you think you could get if pug1off added throttle bodies to the above ? you need to remember this is the tuning companys car,so it will prob have 10bhp added to the real RR figure to help with sales!!!!  If you had yours done it would prob come back with less than the quoted power due to 'engine wear etc'  ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:12
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dav1
Regular Location: leek/staffs Registered: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 312 Status: Offline |
Post #62
Quafie are perfectly good for road and track maybee not rallying.________________________________________ 230bhp 205 gti6 |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:16
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #63
coskev wrote: b11 bob wrote: Anyway if you can get 195 by essentially by just fitting a pair of cams and manifold what do you think you could get if pug1off added throttle bodies to the above ? you need to remember this is the tuning companys car,so it will prob have 10bhp added to the real RR figure to help with sales!!!! I don't understand why people always assume this to be the case, yes I can see the logic as it would be in their interests to talk it up a bit but if all the cars that supposedly make 190+Bhp with PT81's and a chipwizards remap are right why in this case is it that hard to believe that with a manifold, tb mod, cams and a remap it wouldn't make a few Bhp more? Is it a simple case as per normal that you don't rate pug1off or would you be sceptical regarding the other claimed figures aswell? ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:22
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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ryangti6 wrote: I'm laughing at how pathetic and pedantic some members on this forum still continue to be. Instead of having a good discussion about the engine in question or answer his question like Ash and 1 or 2 others did certain people have to drag it into an argument about the wording of his thread and of what is standard and not. Ok have a joke but surely all the "intellectual's" could work out what he meant and 2 pages of dribble could of been avoided. It's quite obvious a good few members have a problem with Bob but this thread is stupid Imo. All he had to say was "these mods in an otherwise standard engine" then the nit pickers couldn't moan. It's no wonder a lot of members don't bother posting Tbh when the simple wording of a thread turns into nonsense like this. Also I don't think admins should be passing judgement and adding to it just because they also seem to have a personal problem with Bob. Tidying the thread and telling people to keep the discussion on topic would of been much more appropriate Imo. I know what you mean, I have him the answers as I gave him stick though.  Bob its not difficult to get what you mean. It just seems strange to worry souch about changing pistons etc? Surely you must have with that power at only 7.4k? But yeah those mods should see that power easy. Personally when it comes to giving the engine more shove. Likely next year. I will be going low boost or 2.1, but I'm thinking most likely low boost tbh. ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:27
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
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ryangti6 wrote: coskev wrote: b11 bob wrote: Anyway if you can get 195 by essentially by just fitting a pair of cams and manifold what do you think you could get if pug1off added throttle bodies to the above ? you need to remember this is the tuning companys car,so it will prob have 10bhp added to the real RR figure to help with sales!!!! I don't understand why people always assume this to be the case, yes I can see the logic as it would be in their interests to talk it up a bit but if all the cars that supposedly make 190+Bhp with PT81's and a chipwizards remap are right why in this case is it that hard to believe that with a manifold, tb mod, cams and a remap it wouldn't make a few Bhp more? Is it a simple case as per normal that you don't rate pug1off or would you be sceptical regarding the other claimed figures aswell? Seen plenty of tuners saying you get this and that,but low and behold customers cars NEVER make the same power as they were quoted they would when the car is dropped off Not talking just Pug tuning. You seem to like people that I think are not really that good TBH,you can't get any further up Pugplus's arse and hes useless at everything he does. And pug1off are not someone I would give any of my hard earned too after seeing a Goodwood 309 they had converted to Gti6 power,if you were at Pugfest it was the one that the engine moved over so far going up the hill the aux belt touched the chassis rail which resulted in it chucking the cambelt off............. ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:29
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dav1
Regular Location: leek/staffs Registered: 20 Jun 2011 Posts: 312 Status: Offline |
Post #66
Who's sayings that's pug1offs fault broken engine mount, worn ,or just a mount fail . Plus the guy who had it done might not want the extra price of engine mounts. I've had a job done by a person every one rates really high on hear an the 205 forum. I since had the work redone due to dodgey wiring. You don't hear me slagging him. Ppl should only spk of there own personal experience not there mates you only get half a story.________________________________________ 230bhp 205 gti6 |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:37
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
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dav1 wrote: Who's sayings that's pug1offs fault broken engine mount, worn ,or just a mount fail . Plus the guy who had it done might not want the extra price of engine mounts. I've had a job done by a person every one rates really high on hear an the 205 forum. I since had the work redone due to dodgey wiring. You don't hear me slagging him. Ppl should only spk of there own personal experience not there mates you only get half a story. Wind your neck in The Goodwood in question was just a shonky conversion,that the owner had paid a supposed prefessional company to do. I looked at it and it looked like a DIY pretty rough conversion. The engine was fitted onto the original 309 engine mounts,he was told by pug1off they would be fine. Would you do a conversion like that and drop it on them? No,exactly. ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:42
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #68
coskev wrote: ryangti6 wrote: coskev wrote: b11 bob wrote: Anyway if you can get 195 by essentially by just fitting a pair of cams and manifold what do you think you could get if pug1off added throttle bodies to the above ? you need to remember this is the tuning companys car,so it will prob have 10bhp added to the real RR figure to help with sales!!!! I don't understand why people always assume this to be the case, yes I can see the logic as it would be in their interests to talk it up a bit but if all the cars that supposedly make 190+Bhp with PT81's and a chipwizards remap are right why in this case is it that hard to believe that with a manifold, tb mod, cams and a remap it wouldn't make a few Bhp more? Is it a simple case as per normal that you don't rate pug1off or would you be sceptical regarding the other claimed figures aswell? Seen plenty of tuners saying you get this and that,but low and behold customers cars NEVER make the same power as they were quoted they would when the car is dropped off Not talking just Pug tuning. You seem to like people that I think are not really that good TBH,you can't get any further up Pugplus's arse and hes useless at everything he does. And pug1off are not someone I would give any of my hard earned too after seeing a Goodwood 309 they had converted to Gti6 power,if you were at Pugfest it was the one that the engine moved over so far going up the hill the aux belt touched the chassis rail which resulted in it chucking the cambelt off............. Ouch, I normally go to pugfest but can't recall that, it was probably one of the years I missed. I like pug1off on a level that Matt seems a tidy guy and all their cars seem to go well for what they have done. I'm not one for jumping on bandwagons to be honest and as with every company there will be good and bad stories, if every tuner that has a car go wrong is s**t then there are no good tuners anywhere in the world obviously. I asked you a serious question about your comment but in return get a typical stupid comment about pugplus, yes I'm mates with Rich which strangely enough means I like him so I'm inclined to defend him when people unfairly criticise him, I've never stepped in on the many occasions he has deserved the comments he has got but that's a different conversation anyway. It says a lot about you though that you would rather drag the conversation down to that level Funny you didnt mention the gti6 forum gods chip wizards though did you, you just generalised your comments about "plenty of tuners" and had another dig at pug1off as you clearly don't like them. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:43
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
Post #69
coskev wrote: Could not have said it better myselfb11 bob wrote: Anyway if you can get 195 by essentially by just fitting a pair of cams and manifold what do you think you could get if pug1off added throttle bodies to the above ? you need to remember this is the tuning companys car,so it will prob have 10bhp added to the real RR figure to help with sales!!!! If you had yours done it would prob come back with less than the quoted power due to 'engine wear etc' ________________________________________ 205 GTI6 235 bhp at 7400 rpm |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:49
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coskev
Seasoned Pro Location: Oswestry Registered: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 3,132 Status: Offline |
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ryangti6 wrote: coskev wrote: ryangti6 wrote: coskev wrote: b11 bob wrote: Anyway if you can get 195 by essentially by just fitting a pair of cams and manifold what do you think you could get if pug1off added throttle bodies to the above ? you need to remember this is the tuning companys car,so it will prob have 10bhp added to the real RR figure to help with sales!!!! I don't understand why people always assume this to be the case, yes I can see the logic as it would be in their interests to talk it up a bit but if all the cars that supposedly make 190+Bhp with PT81's and a chipwizards remap are right why in this case is it that hard to believe that with a manifold, tb mod, cams and a remap it wouldn't make a few Bhp more? Is it a simple case as per normal that you don't rate pug1off or would you be sceptical regarding the other claimed figures aswell? Seen plenty of tuners saying you get this and that,but low and behold customers cars NEVER make the same power as they were quoted they would when the car is dropped off Not talking just Pug tuning. You seem to like people that I think are not really that good TBH,you can't get any further up Pugplus's arse and hes useless at everything he does. And pug1off are not someone I would give any of my hard earned too after seeing a Goodwood 309 they had converted to Gti6 power,if you were at Pugfest it was the one that the engine moved over so far going up the hill the aux belt touched the chassis rail which resulted in it chucking the cambelt off............. Ouch, I normally go to pugfest but can't recall that, it was probably one of the years I missed. I like pug1off on a level that Matt seems a tidy guy and all their cars seem to go well for what they have done. I'm not one for jumping on bandwagons to be honest and as with every company there will be good and bad stories, if every tuner that has a car go wrong is s**t then there are no good tuners anywhere in the world obviously. I asked you a serious question about your comment but in return get a typical stupid comment about pugplus, yes I'm mates with Rich which strangely enough means I like him so I'm inclined to defend him when people unfairly criticise him, I've never stepped in on the many occasions he has deserved the comments he has got but that's a different conversation anyway. It says a lot about you though that you would rather drag the conversation down to that level Funny you didnt mention the gti6 forum gods chip wizards though did you, you just generalised your comments about "plenty of tuners" and had another dig at pug1off as you clearly don't like them. I don't know anything about Chip Wizards,never seen/been in a car they have worked on,so why would I comment about them? I'm talking tuning companys in general. I don't know anyone/never dealt with pug1off,all I stated is what I've seen. I have dealt with Pugplus though,so clearly know how he works. ________________________________________ Red GTB1756 powered Fabia VRS daily driver,LBSC Gti6 eater........Mac1 ZR R1 kit car build in progress. |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 20:51
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
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coskev wrote: I don't know anything about Chip Wizards,never seen/been in a car they have worked on,so why would I comment about them? I'm talking tuning companys in general. I don't know anyone/never dealt with pug1off,all I stated is what I've seen. I have dealt with Pugplus though,so clearly know how he works. This was my point, if you personally have no experience of either why will you comment and speculate that pug1off will have added 10 Bhp but not that chip wizards will have done the same. What I was saying is that if Chip wizard figures are true then surely these pug1off claims cant be far off with more work done? I was asking your opinion on that as personally I've always thought the 190 Bhp claims from PT81's fitted to be optimistic and that is from seeing a car with them fitted and mapped by Wayne. I know there are companies out there that do it and wanted to know what you would have to say looking at it that way. We dont need to argue about Pugplus anymore, he's gone now and I very much doubt he'll be back, you all hate him and I'm still mates with him, life goes on. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 21:02
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #72
surely you cant say with this kit it will be 195 hp though as every engine is different, if i gave them money to do it i would exactly want 195 hp or more (free hp), then take it to another roller and do a power run simples, tbh the biggest problem on here is peoples egos which spoils the forum!!________________________________________ |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 21:07
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #73
You can't but it should make an easy 195 with those mods I reckon. and evo's tests are generally accurate.________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 29th Apr 2012 at 22:34
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b11 bob
Banned! Location: birmingham Registered: 19 Dec 2010 Posts: 265 Status: Offline |
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fatlapit wrote: surely you cant say with this kit it will be 195 hp though as every engine is different, if i gave them money to do it i would exactly want 195 hp or more (free hp), then take it to another roller and do a power run simples, tbh the biggest problem on here is peoples egos which spoils the forum! Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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I think I'm doing really well, I'm not going to comment on anything Blob is saying! Edit, bring back TC..... ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!! Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker  Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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