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Author Subject: Restoring Suspension to Standard on a fettled with GTi6
Rich_c

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Post #1
Hi Guys,

After many years of lusting after a GTi6, i finally bought one a couple of weeks ago! Thumbs up

It's an 'S' Plate off ebay i got on the cheap.

The engine pulls like a train and i have fallen for the car straight away purely off the back of that. However i have owned two 306's in the past, a 1.6 and a 1.8 xs and the handling both of those was far superior to this one.

Going through the paperwork with the car it appears the rear torsion bar has been lowered along with lowering springs on the front. It then appears that the torsion bar was supposedly raised back up by a subsequent owner. However, both the front and rear appear to still be very low.

The steering seems slow and lacking in feel, the car handles like it's tiptoeing on a knife edge when pressing on a bit, it twitches on the brakes, pulls to the right a little when cruising and there is vibration through the wheel at speed.

My first thoughts are that i want to restore the suspension to completely stock settings and components - there is a reason that the GTi6 is so revered!

Could anyone give me ideas of what i need to do in order to achieve this? I guess certain parts of the suspension components will need to be renewed given the age of the car, but i have no idea where to start. If anyone can give me parts / part numbers of anything that might be required, or point me in the direction of the info if it's already around somewhere (i have looked at service box but the detail confuses me).

Posted 2nd Apr 2012 at 22:27
darkgti6

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Post #2
so how much is it lowered by right now? 30mm? 40mm?

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Posted 2nd Apr 2012 at 22:39
welshpug!

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Post #3


5202 S4
RP 5208 N2

FT SHOCK-ABSORB
LEFT
ENS


5202 S8
RP 5208 N3
RIGHT
ENS





5206 K6
RP 5206 TE
RR SHOCK-ABSORB


RP is replaced by, superseded.


springs I'm unure which would be the correct ones.

5002 X4

SUSPENSN SPRING
- LEV 2 TER AND BVM AND WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING


5002 P7
- LEV 2 TER AND BVM AND AIR CONDITIONING
- SPORT 1 AND BVM AND WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING
- SPORT 2 LIGHT
- SPORT 2 RALLY AND WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING
MARK 1 YELLOW + 1 GREEN + 1 BLUE


5002 P8
- SPORT 1 AND BVM AND AIR CONDITIONING
- SPORT 1 AND BVA AND WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING
REP 1 YELLOW + 1 BLUE + 1 YELLOW


5002 P9

- SPORT 2
SPORT 2 RALLY AND AIR CONDITIONING
- SPORT 1 AND BVA AND AIR CONDITIONING
MARK 1 YELLOW + 1 WHITE + 1 GREEN

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Posted 2nd Apr 2012 at 22:42
Rich_c

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Post #4
darkgti6 wrote:
so how much is it lowered by right now? 30mm? 40mm?


Um, pass. How high should the car be and at what points on the body would you measure? if i had to hazard a guess i would say it was lowered by more than 30mm, but it would just be a guess.

The rear tyres also seem to be too close to the rear mud guards with barely enough room to get your fingers between the wheel and the arch - which struck me as slightly odd.
Posted 2nd Apr 2012 at 22:49
Rich_c

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Post #5
welshpug! wrote:


5202 S4
RP 5208 N2

FT SHOCK-ABSORB
LEFT
ENS


5202 S8
RP 5208 N3
RIGHT
ENS





5206 K6
RP 5206 TE
RR SHOCK-ABSORB


RP is replaced by, superseded.


springs I'm unure which would be the correct ones.

5002 X4

SUSPENSN SPRING
- LEV 2 TER AND BVM AND WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING


5002 P7
- LEV 2 TER AND BVM AND AIR CONDITIONING
- SPORT 1 AND BVM AND WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING
- SPORT 2 LIGHT
- SPORT 2 RALLY AND WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING
MARK 1 YELLOW + 1 GREEN + 1 BLUE


5002 P8
- SPORT 1 AND BVM AND AIR CONDITIONING
- SPORT 1 AND BVA AND WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING
REP 1 YELLOW + 1 BLUE + 1 YELLOW


5002 P9

- SPORT 2
SPORT 2 RALLY AND AIR CONDITIONING
- SPORT 1 AND BVA AND AIR CONDITIONING
MARK 1 YELLOW + 1 WHITE + 1 GREEN


Thanks for thatThumbs up So you would recommend replaceing the dampers? As i understand it, the springs i need are the 5002P9 ones. The genuine Pug springs ones seem expensive, would cheaper aftermarket ones be ok? Or would it perhaps be a good idea to get some 2nd hand?
Posted 2nd Apr 2012 at 22:52
eliotrw

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Post #6
Chuck that idea out the window.
There are very good mods out there you just have choose well! i.e hybrid ARB

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Posted 2nd Apr 2012 at 23:11
Rich_c

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Post #7
I know what you mean, I have an MX-5 that I have uprated the suspension on and it's sublime. However because of the money put that has been the MX-5, I have to do the pug on a budget.
Posted 2nd Apr 2012 at 23:34
eliotrw

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Post #8
thats the thing, the better bits cost less or the same as genuine Smile

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Posted 2nd Apr 2012 at 23:41
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Post #9
Also add

Rear Beam Rebuild
Rear Beam Mounts
Front Wishbones (OE or high quality ones)
TRW Ball joints

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Posted 2nd Apr 2012 at 23:43
eliotrw

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Post #10
If i was doing it on the cheap i would do this.
Motaquip wishbones
Chuck a peugeot partner wishbones bush on each one (Replacing the motaquip)
Bilstein B4 fronts
Eibach springs
B4 (zx spec) rears or genuine zx volcane shocks
cheap 21mm torsion bars (from here second hand)
Solid mounts from daveyboy or birk
new top mounts
New tre's Lemforder ones

Rebuilt beam from Mechanical repairs or jord with the new shocks and tb's.

Beam set to -20mm
Front at -30/-25 ish (springs)
If you can get a hybrid arb then i would as they are one of the best mods you can make.

If you were trying to spend less again then the same minus the Torsion bars i would say. Solid mounts work out cheaper than rubber ones and are supposedly better. I'll get back to you on that one when i rustle up enough miney to sort my suspension

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 00:12
welshpug!

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Post #11
if you're in the nam get to harry bucklands and nab a beam off a disc braked 306 or xsara, doesn't have to be high spec, and rebuild that, swap your torsion bars to it, means your car is off the road for less time.

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 09:12
Rich_c

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Post #12
thanks for the advice guys, Thumbs up i'll let you know how i get on!
Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 21:15
dan86

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Post #13
Glad to see another one being restored.

'In standard we trust'



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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 21:35
ryangti6

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Post #14
Rich_c wrote:
Hi Guys,

My first thoughts are that i want to restore the suspension to completely stock settings and components - there is a reason that the GTi6 is so revered!



I'd stick with this idea. Get some standard springs and sort out a good rear beam and when fitting it all replace bushes where needed after inspecting everything.

There's no point in bolting on a load of stuff that someone on the internet tells you is better than standard. Get it back to how it should be and see what you want to change, if anything.

People on here are too quick to recommend all these parts yet half of them are only repeating what they have read or been told and havn't actually driven a car with this setup. I know I have driven loads of Gti6's/Rallye's and am yet to find one that has been lowered or messed that drives or handles better than a good standard one.

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Posted 3rd Apr 2012 at 21:58
rallyecomms

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Agree on the above post. Currently mine now has koni sport stuff all around and lowered slightly. Its good on a good surface, like a track or good A road. However my last 2 GTI6/Rallyes had been on std suspension and provided its in good condition, it was superb.... expecially on B roads imho.

I'm using mine predominantly for road rallies, so in fairness the surfaces aren't the best!! Have just returned the rear beam to std height, and am changing the front dampers to B4's and std springs.

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Posted 4th Apr 2012 at 09:23
darkgti6

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ryangti6 wrote:
Rich_c wrote:
Hi Guys,

My first thoughts are that i want to restore the suspension to completely stock settings and components - there is a reason that the GTi6 is so revered!



I'd stick with this idea. Get some standard springs and sort out a good rear beam and when fitting it all replace bushes where needed after inspecting everything.

There's no point in bolting on a load of stuff that someone on the internet tells you is better than standard. Get it back to how it should be and see what you want to change, if anything.

People on here are too quick to recommend all these parts yet half of them are only repeating what they have read or been told and havn't actually driven a car with this setup. I know I have driven loads of Gti6's/Rallye's and am yet to find one that has been lowered or messed that drives or handles better than a good standard one.


Whatever floats your boat mate. It's horses for courses really. I've driven my gti with all of the 3 main setups. Standard, then down to 60mm drop on coilovers and at its current ride height of 30mm drop on eibachs and a hybrid arb and zx volcane billy rear dampers which imo is by far a superior setup compared with standard for fast road abuse. A lot of people on here will concur.

But as said, whatever floats your boat.

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Posted 4th Apr 2012 at 17:42
hovis16

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ryangti6 wrote:
Rich_c wrote:
Hi Guys,

My first thoughts are that i want to restore the suspension to completely stock settings and components - there is a reason that the GTi6 is so revered!



I'd stick with this idea. Get some standard springs and sort out a good rear beam and when fitting it all replace bushes where needed after inspecting everything.

There's no point in bolting on a load of stuff that someone on the internet tells you is better than standard. Get it back to how it should be and see what you want to change, if anything.

People on here are too quick to recommend all these parts yet half of them are only repeating what they have read or been told and havn't actually driven a car with this setup. I know I have driven loads of Gti6's/Rallye's and am yet to find one that has been lowered or messed that drives or handles better than a good standard one.


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Posted 4th Apr 2012 at 19:01
jord294

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I think most people will agree that refreshed or updated suspension makes a vast improvement Big grin

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Posted 4th Apr 2012 at 19:34
ryangti6

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Just to be clear I'm not saying it cant be improved on, I'm saying each person is going to like it different and the only way to see what you want to change is to go from standard and try different things Imo. The OP seems to want his car for the road so proven track setup's like russianguys rallye isnt really going to be any good to him. Feedback from other people that have tried different setups is great but not everyone will find the same and I was more pointing out people like Eliot havnt tried most of these bits they are recommending and the OP may not be aware of this.

The shopping list posted above might be better in some people's opinion but if you bolt all that on and then decide you dont like it you wont have a clue where to start, if you start with a standard car you can make changes like lowering etc and see if you like it and decide for yourself.

Everyone's preference will always be different at the end of the day and as said I personally am yet to drive a better handling 6 than the few I've driven that are all standard with good condition parts.

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Posted 4th Apr 2012 at 22:37
eliotrw

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I see where your coming from for sure but my shopping list, or whatever we want to call it Razz
Is mainly based on the following:
My car needs new suspension NOW its literally at the point where I shoot it.
Peugeot bits are expensive, especially from Newport, particularly when Bilstein shocks cost not a lot more or the same price depending on spec
I'm going off the fact that the ride in my car is so s**t at the mo that coilovers are probably more pleasant. so a subtle drop and all new parts, even if there are thicker and stiffer bits will be a lot better.
Rear mounts are stupidly priced too and getting solid ones ( which I like the idea of) allow me to pour more money into the other bits.

finally I intend on keeping my car for a very very long time, even when I get something new and faster it will be kept as a track car or whatever. so by renewing it all I'm protecting my (sentimental) investment. plus I figured if its getting supercharged then I might as well sort the other bits out first.

its still meant to be a road car though, which is why I've tried to keep it fairly sensible and stayed away from 30mm arbs and tbs that are too thick. I'm kind of going off the basis that 10s of people have had the exact same setup as what I'm going for too so I'm not really sweeping into the unknown
I can't really be arsed to get new Peugeot /oem stuff first either. I don't have the time to
work on my car that often and when I can its in Wales and ill need to be in London within the next day or two.
I agree with that though it would be much more ideal to experience a new oem setup and go from there. but I like to think I've kept the setup fairly balanced so it shouldn't change too much.
its basically just stiffer front and back by a similar amount. with dampers that probably aren't as soft but are still matched. As I say pretty much every component at the moment is worn, the rear mounts click when you get in the car. the top mounts and bearings knock, the wishbone bushes cause a strange sensation when you lift off that feels like you lose grip for a second. droplinks are naffed too. everything has done at least 22k since I bought it and god knows what before. anyway I'm rambling now....

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Posted 5th Apr 2012 at 00:18
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Give me a shout if you want a hand with anything. Welshpug is over this way quite a lot if you want the beam rebuilding.
I also know two people breaking them off the forum locally if you need anything. I've still got a few bits kicking about.

Oh and use Warners tewkesbury for parts as the others locally are crap. Mention this forum and that I sent you to ed or Steve and you should get a discount.

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