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 ajmckeane
Regular  Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 206 Status: Offline |
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Just starting to pull my new donor engine apart to give it a clean. Being the first time ive ever done anything this big. Just a question please. What runs off the aux belt? Is it the starter motor, alternator, pas pump and ac pump. Just trying to figure what ive just taken off lolthanks in advance andrew ________________________________________ China's ALIVE !!! |
 Posted 23rd Mar 2012 at 17:11
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smegal
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Not the starter motor________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 23rd Mar 2012 at 17:15
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ajmckeane
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 206 Status: Offline |
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Cheers for that smegal. Im a complete novice but got no choice to diy. Money lol________________________________________ China's ALIVE !!! |
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Posted 23rd Mar 2012 at 17:18
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smegal
Seasoned Pro Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
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It's not rocket science as long as you take your time. There are a helpful lot on here too if you have any trouble. Have you looked at the FAQ? That was a great help when I was breaking a '6 ________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 23rd Mar 2012 at 17:20
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ajmckeane
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 206 Status: Offline |
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Yeh had a good read. Just making sure i label everything. Want to take both inlet manifold and covers off to spray them as their a bit scruffy. Trouble is it seems the covers are a nightmare to seal back up. Might leave it________________________________________ China's ALIVE !!! |
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Posted 23rd Mar 2012 at 17:23
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ajmckeane
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 206 Status: Offline |
Post #6
OKSo after trying to convince my brain that this is possible and my lack of experience doesnt matter I have come to a stopping point. The cambelt change. At this moment in time my engine is sitting on my garage floor with no gearbox on, or pretty much anything else to that matter so access is GOOOOOOD  I apologise because I ask this question after reading nearly all the Cambelt related posts already. I have pinned the cams with 6mm drill bits and the crank with 8mm drill bits. I obviously dont have to pin the flywheel because there isnt one on it. So do i now just try and untighten the crank bolt? Doesnt seem enough force to stop the rest turning than using an 8mm bit so the engine wont turn. Or am I being stupid? Thanks in advance and awaiting all of the "retard" coments Andrew________________________________________ China's ALIVE !!! |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 11:08
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paulvancraen
Junior User Location: Breda Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 83 Status: Offline |
Post #7
You need a flywheel locking tool:http://www.motorsport-tools.com/sealey-flywheel-holding-tool-citroen-fiat-peugeot-ldv-fso-vs1283-p-249686.html In the car you can put in into gear and step on the brakes, but you need someone else to untighten it  |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 11:39
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ajmckeane
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 206 Status: Offline |
Post #8
But i've got no flywheel as I explained. It's on the floor of my garage with no gearbox at all. Just the engine block on its own________________________________________ China's ALIVE !!! |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 11:44
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #9
fit a flywheel.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 12:38
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paulvancraen
Junior User Location: Breda Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 83 Status: Offline |
Post #10
You CANNOT untighten it with just the pins installed, you will f**k everything up...The crankbolt is secured with 120 Nm (out the top of my head). If the sump is fitted, you can fit the flywheel aswell. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 13:18
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #11
Fitting a flywheel is the obvious the choice as it's something you need to do at some point anyway but if you have no other alternative you could try it with just the bottom pulley pinned. I'd use something like a solid 8mm bar rather than drill bit though as at least it will bend and not just snap.It's not ideal but you cant really do any damage as if it does snap the engine will just turn over, dont pin the cams as my money would be on the cam pulley breaking first. The above method will work with an impact wrench as I've done it before but I'm not sure it'll be that effective if you are trying to do it with a breaker bar. ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 13:56
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #12
you'll just mash up the alloy casting with an 8mm rod and trying to loosen the bolt.rattle gun is the only alternative but it'll need t be a powerful one to break the threadlock loose. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 14:02
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ryangti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Pontypool Registered: 01 Sep 2006 Posts: 1,839 Status: Offline |
Post #13
Yeah when I said impact wrench I meant a proper one on an air line. I've never had a problem using one of these and as said the above method has worked fine for me and caused no damage when stripping bottom ends where the flywheel has already been removed.It's definitly a method I would only use when faced with no other alternative ________________________________________ Ryan |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 14:11
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ajmckeane
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 206 Status: Offline |
Post #14
Thanks for the help. Everything is apart now just fitting the cambelt now. Ive either become super strong at the gym or the alternative is nobody put thread lock on the crank pulley nut. Got it off with the torque wrench. Everything in good working order as well ________________________________________ China's ALIVE !!! |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 14:37
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ajmckeane
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 206 Status: Offline |
Post #15
One thing after another.Was just putting the thermostat back on after fitting the gasket and spotted my replacement engine ony has one sensor going in here, where my old one has 3. Obviously just had a rummage through and found that the other two are the cooling fan switch (for my dual fans) and the coolant temp sensor. My question is this will it just be easier for me to take the loom off my old engine and transpose it over to my new. Or will the loom on the new engine (which came from a xsara vts) have the ability to take thse sensors on it's loom? Many thanks ________________________________________ China's ALIVE !!! |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 18:58
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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sounds like a multiplex phase2 xsara loom, it wont work in a 306, neither will the multiplex sensor.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 19:01
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ajmckeane
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 206 Status: Offline |
Post #17
BOOOOOOOOO didn't need to here that So the looms coming out as well, this job just gets longer lol So if this is the case, just pop the loom out and connect it to al the relevant pieces in the new engine? (Please say yes) ________________________________________ China's ALIVE !!! |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 19:02
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simonjames
Seasoned Pro  Location: Whitland S.Wales Registered: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 6,219 Status: Offline |
Post #18
I would use the original loom and sensors from the old engine over on to the new ________________________________________ All South Wales Members Click HereTeam Supercharged Black RALLYE ™ (Click Here for Build Project) MY EBAY ITEMS 07943066306 |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 19:03
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ajmckeane
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 206 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Thanks for that simon.One day I will get her back up and running. Bit of a mission but i've come this far! ________________________________________ China's ALIVE !!! |
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Posted 30th Mar 2012 at 19:05
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #20
As Simon says use your loom and sensors. That way you know everything will work once you get it back into the car.  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone  |
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Posted 31st Mar 2012 at 01:04
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ajmckeane
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 206 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Cheers StanGoing to try and dismantle my engine today and hopefully by the end of the day have everything swapped over to the new one. Leaving me all day tomorrow to fit the new one! ________________________________________ China's ALIVE !!! |
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Posted 31st Mar 2012 at 08:07
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
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How did you get on with it today?________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 31st Mar 2012 at 21:02
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ajmckeane
Regular Location: Cambridge Registered: 07 Jul 2010 Posts: 206 Status: Offline |
Post #23
The 6 was winning in the morning. The bloody slam panel and bumper wouldnt come off. I calned down a little and had a stella and a bacon sarnie.So with andrew calmer i stripped the front, all ancillaries, drained all fluids and as magic got the engine out before sunset! Quite proud of myself so treated myself to.more stella and a curry haha. One f**cking annoying outcome today was my peugeot dealer. Had ordered new exhaust manifold bolts, aux belt and water pump. Went to collect it all and all they had was the bloody pump! Going to a local motor factors for the belt tomorrow. Do you onow anywhere i can get the bolts from on a sunday, really dont want the old ones back on cheers ________________________________________ China's ALIVE !!! |
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Posted 31st Mar 2012 at 21:11
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stan_306gti6
Forum Admin Location: Kent Registered: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 21,768 Status: Offline |
Post #24
That's an impressive outcome for the first time of you doing something like that... As for the bolts, Pug only I'm afraid so you won't be able to get them on Sunday...  ________________________________________ "Supercharged - 454.1bhp/317.5lb/ft"Peugeot 306 GTi-6 2000 (X), Moonstone |
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Posted 31st Mar 2012 at 23:32
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roland rat
Yeeeah Rat fans!  Location: Swansea Registered: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 22,284 Status: Offline |
Post #25
stan_306gti6 wrote: That's an impressive outcome for the first time of you doing something like that... As for the bolts, Pug only I'm afraid so you won't be able to get them on Sunday... Got some from my local exhaust factors but as Stan said v.unlikely to get them on a sunday  |
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Posted 31st Mar 2012 at 23:37
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