Post #201
What Compression ratio is it again? 8:1?________________________________________
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 eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 15th Dec 2012 at 22:49
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birk
Seasoned Pro  Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
Post #202
f**k knows, I've forgot lol________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo = Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 15th Dec 2012 at 22:52
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bigbadbowen
Seasoned Pro  Location: Winchester Registered: 21 Nov 2003 Posts: 13,753 Status: Offline |
Post #203
birk wrote: I think I will just end up getting a custom rad, from memory I had a quote for £275, but that was a while ago. I do have a universal alloy race rad, but it's a bit big, and it looks a bit s**t and flimsy, so I doubt I will use it. Going to need something that it is well up for the job with a large core I reckon dude  oh and made of aviation black box material for when you stuff it into a fence   |
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Posted 15th Dec 2012 at 22:54
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eliotrw
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Post #204
birk wrote: f**k knows, I've forgot lol  Might be worth moving all the other coolers out the way as well, if they arent already that is  ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 15th Dec 2012 at 23:04
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birk
Seasoned Pro Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
Post #205
Haha cheers Chris.There's nothing at the front of the car other than a bonnet at the moment lol I'm planning on running twin oil coolers where the fog lights would have once oringally lived. ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 15th Dec 2012 at 23:19
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #206
The fans aren't going to be the problem, they are only there for sitting in traffic on hot days. A bigger rad will help, but getting 150+hp's worth of heat out of each cylinder, from a cylinder designed to cool 45hp's worth of heat won't be easy. If it was as straight forward as bolting on a big turbo, fitting a big intercooler and some low comp pistons to get 600hp, everyone would do it. Unfortunately, generating 600hp is easy, trying to make it run reliably for any length of time is the costly and time consuming part.________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 15th Dec 2012 at 23:24
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #207
Is there a way of speeding up the pump?________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 15th Dec 2012 at 23:54
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #208
More revs ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 15th Dec 2012 at 23:56
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #209
welshpug! wrote: More revs Probably find you get cavitation if you overspeed the standard waterpump too much, I don't suppose it has the ability to provide enough water for cooling effectively four times the heat energy it was designed for. What about speccing up one of those Davies Craig electric waterpump jobbies? ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 09:23
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #210
I just meant more engine revs I remember looking in the engine bay of Liam Doran's DS3 Rallycross car, and guess what's powering that 550 ish bhp beast? (that's a restricted 550...) An iron XU with a stock looking water pump, oh an a monster radiator I didn't spot anything out of the ordinary on the cooling system, though that's not to say there's not something in there to help, I reckon its time to speak to people who build these engines and unfortunately you don't tend to find them on forums. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 09:52
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #211
actually, trying to find more info on it, seems they run a few different engines, here's the lump from their other car they have several DS3's it seems, as I found one with a transverse and longitudinally mounted engine! ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 10:01
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #212
Bit cool that is got a xu in it imo Fair enough about the water pump i was wondering if it could spin faster per rev More flow would help though I reckon, Plus bigger rad and some thought with air flow ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 10:23
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birk
Seasoned Pro Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
Post #213
So a nice big radiator is a matter of course really, it's just if it will cope or not.I don't actually know what figure it's going to be yet. But it's going to be more than 500bhp I imagine. Could I just take the thermostat out and let it run through, it would be constantly cooled then, I'm removing the matrix aswell. ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 12:35
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #214
being too cold is just as bad.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 13:02
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #215
Removing the thermostat is a bad idea as it will make warmup take ages, big rad, big pump, big cutouts in the front and lots of ducted cold air to the inlet. Also get the turbo jacketed off with that foil/lagging stuff you see to stop it roasting everything within a 3 foot radius of it  ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 13:46
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clen666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
Post #216
You don't want to increase the speed of the coolant flow too much, too fast and it will prevent decent thermal transfer________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 15:04
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birk
Seasoned Pro Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
Post #217
I'll sort as much as I can with regards to fitting the engine 1st, then I will move onto the rad and get one made up.I picked up my clutch earlier today, can't really tell what kind of condition the plates are in, as I'm not to familiar with what is classed as "low" and I've not got any verniers to hand to measure what's left on the pads. ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 15:38
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #218
clen666 wrote: You don't want to increase the speed of the coolant flow too much, too fast and it will prevent decent thermal transfer Yeah, Id have thought something like 15%-20% more flow wouldnt hurt though? I think the spark plugs will be worth pondering too, Dont know if you would need colder than highboost? ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 17:20
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birk
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Post #219
Ive got grade 8s for it at the moment.________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 17:24
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birk
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Post #220
My clutch  ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 17:57
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #221
My touring car runs a similar one but with only 4 friction plates per plate and probably not as heavy spring. Without wanting to sound negative, even mine is very much on or off, and they aren't designed to be slipped, and doing so f**ks them quickly, if you're planning on driving it on the road leave a big gap to the car in front of you! ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 18:20
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simonjames
Seasoned Pro  Location: Whitland S.Wales Registered: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 6,219 Status: Offline |
Post #222
or buy a spare front end ________________________________________ All South Wales Members Click HereTeam Supercharged Black RALLYE ™ (Click Here for Build Project) MY EBAY ITEMS 07943066306 |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 18:22
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birk
Seasoned Pro Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
Post #223
It's ok pete, I don't expect everyone to agree with what I'm doing, but im all for constructive criticism, its all a big learning curve when stepping into new territory I suppose.I'm going to have a word with the clutch company and see what they say, it might be a case that I get a sprung centre. But I'm not sure as to exactley what I will be doing yet. ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 18:28
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #224
It's not that I don't agree, I'm more than happy to see a 600hp dimma 306, in fact I wish I had the time and money to do something similar. Just sharing my experiences, thats all. Not many people will have ever used a twin plate clutch before, so just want to make you aware they aren't very friendly! ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 19:27
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birk
Seasoned Pro Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
Post #225
Maybe should have worded that differently, it came across a bit harsh lolI've driven a 600bhp scooby with a twin plate hydralic clutch and it was surprisingly light and easy to use, but I'm not entirely sure on the plate setup it had, I imagine it was sprung loaded. I've not got much choice unfortunately, it would be nice to throw 1k at an all singing and dancing setup, but I'm on a strict no thrills budget now, I'm supposed to be saving for a house haha ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 16th Dec 2012 at 19:39
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