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matt evans

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Just thought i'd post a few pics up of yesterdays trackday I did at Oulton Park with a good mate of mine, Mark (aka tintin).

I know theres no Pug content but its quite a rare old car nowadays and theres a few RS fans on here as well.

Its a 1983 Escort RS 1600i which Marks owned for 17 years (man and boy lol), and its current guise is very track biased with a 220bhp Dunnell built n/a 2.0 Zetec on webber throttle bodies.

Marks had trouble with setting suspension up on it recently, and i'm afraid has listened to various forum "experts" and had got to the point of it being very unstable. Having trackday'd a S2 RS turbo for years myself, he wanted my opinion on setup, so i did a fair bit of driving - Im the fatter one in the black helmet LOL!

No denying its a fast old car, he's running 2.5 degree's neg camber on the front, 2.0 neg on the back and its very low on gaz gold coilovers all round. 6 link rear suspension with MEF adjustable tie rods etc etc etc.

Turn in is mega agressive, once in the corner its unstickable (on full dunlop slicks) however on the corner exit, when the wheel centres, the car has a proper twitch, either left or right, and the straight line stability is horrid.

Ive advised to raise the height up, back the camber off to 1.5 on the front and 0.5 on the rear and to soften the spring rates up - on 350lb fronts at the mo.

despite the "issues" we had a laugh and it was quite nice to be back behind the wheel of an old Ford RS. Quite a physical car to drive and its very much a scruff of the neck motor, but its fast and we wasted quite a lot of cars yesterday. I even made Mark sick after one session - always a good sign you've been trying!!

Any suspension boffins on here think im along the right lines?

Some pics for you -






Awaits the Ford haters....LOL

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 22:46
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Looks a mint old EscortThumbs up

You could have called in for a cuppa while you were so closeRoll eyes

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Cool Retro cool
Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 23:11
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matt evans

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coskev wrote:
Looks a mint old EscortThumbs up

You could have called in for a cuppa while you were so closeRoll eyes


Its a gorgous old thing Kev. Would easily fit into modified concours.

If id have known i'd have popped in and emptied your biscuit tin as well..Big grin

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 23:13
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matt evans wrote:
coskev wrote:
Looks a mint old EscortThumbs up

You could have called in for a cuppa while you were so closeRoll eyes


Its a gorgous old thing Kev. Would easily fit into modified concours.

If id have known i'd have popped in and emptied your biscuit tin as well..Big grin


I bet you would!!!!!LOL

Allways fancied a mk3(Rs1600i/RS turbo)my m8's just paid £8k for a RS TurboShock

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Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 23:19
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I always wanted a S1 RST. I remember when they were about 3k for a half decent one!

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    m306

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    i envy you Matt, your car history and cars youve been involved with are all incredible motors. as one of the younger members and car enthusiasts ive always admired and respected the old ford rs's and old pugs but never had the chance to see them up close.

    that looks like an awesome escort there, very nice Thumbs up

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    Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 23:27
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    matt evans

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    Time and rarity makes these cars more expensive. I nearly bought a 1600i back in 1994, was £1500 at the time. I ended up with a late C plate xr3i Mk3 instead as it was just as fast but cheaper.

    Marks into the tune of £25k+ on his over the years. Madness really but it's a hobby after all.

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    Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 23:27
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    matt evans

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    m306 wrote:
    i envy you Matt, your car history and cars youve been involved with are all incredible motors. as one of the younger members and car enthusiasts ive always admired and respected the old ford rs's and old pugs but never had the chance to see them up close.

    that looks like an awesome escort there, very nice Thumbs up


    Love I'm lucky to have a missus that lets me have a car hobby and good mates that are into similar things.

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    Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 23:30
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    m306

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    matt evans wrote:
    m306 wrote:
    i envy you Matt, your car history and cars youve been involved with are all incredible motors. as one of the younger members and car enthusiasts ive always admired and respected the old ford rs's and old pugs but never had the chance to see them up close.

    that looks like an awesome escort there, very nice Thumbs up


    Love I'm lucky to have a missus that lets me have a car hobby and good mates that are into similar things.

    yeah very lucky, my mates and family arent as into it as much as me which can make it alot more difficult.

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    Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 23:35
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    coskev

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    matt evans wrote:
    m306 wrote:
    i envy you Matt, your car history and cars youve been involved with are all incredible motors. as one of the younger members and car enthusiasts ive always admired and respected the old ford rs's and old pugs but never had the chance to see them up close.

    that looks like an awesome escort there, very nice Thumbs up


    Love I'm lucky to have a missus thats glad to see the back of me and good mates that are into similar things.


    EFA MattYes

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    Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 23:37
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    matt evans

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    coskev wrote:
    matt evans wrote:
    m306 wrote:
    i envy you Matt, your car history and cars youve been involved with are all incredible motors. as one of the younger members and car enthusiasts ive always admired and respected the old ford rs's and old pugs but never had the chance to see them up close.

    that looks like an awesome escort there, very nice Thumbs up


    Love I'm lucky to have a missus thats glad to see the back of me and good mates that are into similar things.


    EFA MattYes


    ROFL - thats more than like it!

    Mark's lass is the same. Me and him go greenlaning a few times a month, and im sure she thinks we go dogging!

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    Do you wrestle for a living matt? You sound like a monster LOL


    owain wrote:
    Nothing involving a 306 can be considered worthwhile.

    Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 23:39
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    matt evans wrote:
    coskev wrote:
    matt evans wrote:
    m306 wrote:
    i envy you Matt, your car history and cars youve been involved with are all incredible motors. as one of the younger members and car enthusiasts ive always admired and respected the old ford rs's and old pugs but never had the chance to see them up close.

    that looks like an awesome escort there, very nice Thumbs up


    Love I'm lucky to have a missus thats glad to see the back of me and good mates that are into similar things.


    EFA MattYes


    ROFL - thats more than like it!

    Mark's lass is the same. Me and him go greenlaning a few times a month, and im sure she thinks we go dogging!



    What a thing to own upto on a public forumNo

    How is Stan Collymore?Whistle

    Hes got the same dodgy yam-yam accent as you tooYes

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    Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 23:49
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    matt evans

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    Ha ha - my 12 yr old lad comes with us. Not ideal if we were going scuttling Kev!

    Erm, cough, no Yamyam accents round here... We're refined you know.

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    Nothing involving a 306 can be considered worthwhile.

    Posted 22nd Jan 2012 at 23:58
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    coskev

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    matt evans wrote:
    Ha ha - my 12 yr old lad comes with us. Not ideal if we were going scuttling Kev!

    Erm, cough, no Yamyam accents round here... We're refined you know.


    Anywhere between Telford and Coventry have got the yam-yam accent IMOLOL

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    Posted 23rd Jan 2012 at 00:01
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    matt evans

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    coskev wrote:
    matt evans wrote:
    Ha ha - my 12 yr old lad comes with us. Not ideal if we were going scuttling Kev!

    Erm, cough, no Yamyam accents round here... We're refined you know.


    Anywhere between Telford and Coventry have got the yam-yam accent IMOLOL


    Jealousy is a cruel trait kevin.Yes

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    Nothing involving a 306 can be considered worthwhile.

    Posted 23rd Jan 2012 at 00:04
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    Matt was the trackday a sell out,did it look busy?
    Anyone have any offs?

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    matt evans

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    7057sam wrote:
    Matt was the trackday a sell out,did it look busy?
    Anyone have any offs?


    I think it was fully booked. It was only £110 for the whole day, open pit lane as well. A couple of people had minor offs, but no damage from what we saw.

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    Posted 23rd Jan 2012 at 08:35
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    Have to say I hate those escorts due to nearly dying in one as a kid, but it is undeniably cool in track form. Just never been a Ford guy really Wink

    Explain how it is unstable Matt and what is it usually used for?

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    matt evans

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    adam b wrote:
    Have to say I hate those escorts due to nearly dying in one as a kid, but it is undeniably cool in track form. Just never been a Ford guy really Wink

    Explain how it is unstable Matt and what is it usually used for?


    Turn in is mega agressive, once in the corner its unstickable (on full dunlop slicks) however on the corner exit, when the wheel centres, the car has a proper twitch, either left or right, and the straight line stability is horrid.

    Its as though its been fitted with a 1 turn lock to lock quick rack. Just feels so nervous its vile. Mark uses it for fun, fast road stuff and the odd trackday. Runs on 888's on the road.

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    Posted 23rd Jan 2012 at 10:37
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    Too much toe-out?

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