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Author | Subject: Sleeper 306T - 316 wheel bhp |
fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #76
Dp manifolds are not that good tbh. not worth the price tag anyway.________________________________________ |
Posted 29th Sep 2012 at 22:47
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #77
Rule of thumb with exhausts, if it looks right it is right. Obviously there is much more to it then that, but look at the bends on the standard manifold, lovely smooth curves without too many unnecessary changes of direction to interrupt flow. I realise there are packaging issues as you have limited space to fit all the extra components needed for a turbo installation but the manifold is arguably the most important part of it and I'm afraid DP haven't made the most of the space available. The harmful pressure waves created by badly designed manifolds can damage engines and turbos very quickly.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
Posted 30th Sep 2012 at 09:29
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Kyle
Newbie Location: Muswellbrook Registered: 08 Sep 2012 Posts: 28 Status: Offline |
Post #78
Please elaborate more specifically on the DP manifold.. I've seen worse! |
Posted 1st Oct 2012 at 13:20
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #79
Who me?________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
Posted 1st Oct 2012 at 13:42
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #80
or me________________________________________ |
Posted 1st Oct 2012 at 14:47
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #81
Both of you? Do you have any experience with dp manifolds comparing to others? The car's out put is 280 bhp at 0.7 bar. It's not that bad, I think. |
Posted 2nd Oct 2012 at 06:32
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Moonstone6
Regular Location: Lichfield Registered: 11 Apr 2012 Posts: 268 Status: Offline |
Post #82
what a machine id love to be around when thats on the rollers i cant imagine how much the exhaust cost from the head to back box good stuff mate |
Posted 2nd Oct 2012 at 11:10
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #83
7057sam wrote: Fatbas**rd wrote: Original GTI6 vs. slightly modified one... i will use my manifold that i built for a comparison. ________________________________________ |
Posted 2nd Oct 2012 at 17:54
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #84
As you can see the top picture is the internal of the collector, the Dragons tooth as i call it is there for two jobs, firstly it keeps the speed of the ex. gasses up by gradually flowing them into the turbo elbow instead of just dumping them into the collector which will slow the gasses down, also a point to note is the angle of the tooth which to the best of my ability will try and match the MEAN angle of the collector. Secondly it stops the pulses trying to escape up another primary therefore keeping the turbo pulsing(spinning). DP MANIFOLD DOES NOT HAVE THIS ________________________________________ |
Posted 2nd Oct 2012 at 18:01
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #85
The bottom picture shows my manifold which is considerably more "efficient" than the dp manifold, it has less bends and "slacker" angles whilst still retaining equal length primaries. Another thing that DP Engineering do not provide for their manifolds is a hangar assembley to mount the turbo from to reduce the load on its manifod, this is a must for any tubular manifold as it will just crack and you will loose performance. (Both manifolds use 38mm tubing also)I hope this helps a bit. ________________________________________ |
Posted 2nd Oct 2012 at 18:10
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #86
a poorley designed manifold will make the engine run hotter and will destroy turbos fact!!!________________________________________ |
Posted 2nd Oct 2012 at 18:11
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #87
Well said, while I have no doubts about DP's fabrication ability, it looks nicely made, I have too have issue with the design, it looks like something a skilled pipe welder made rather than an experienced exhaust manufacturer. Too much effort has gone into making it fit a certain space with too little thought as to the best routing to get fast efficient gasflow out of the head. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
Posted 2nd Oct 2012 at 18:22
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #88
it is called a welders nightmare but if you think about it its only a nightmare because its poorley designed but on the other foot i would imagine that the four primaries are made in seperate jigs then put together with flange and elbow.________________________________________ |
Posted 2nd Oct 2012 at 18:26
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #89
DP does provide a hanger for the turbo. I have it installed. So you say dp manifolds are not worth the price. The manifold you presented in the pic above - how much do you charge for that? What material is it? |
Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 11:32
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #90
Made out of 304 stainless using a standard flange and collector. to make would be about 800 but would do a downpipe to suit for that price.________________________________________ |
Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 17:56
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #91
Fatlapit when you have finished your car will you be able to make a turbo kit for the gti6?________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 18:01
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #92
Thats the plan mate, with the thermostat adaptor.________________________________________ |
Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 18:11
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aaron6
Seasoned Pro Location: On the sofa in maidstone Registered: 16 May 2006 Posts: 5,840 Status: Offline |
Post #93
binkagti wrote: Thinking of boosting again tom?Fatlapit when you have finished your car will you be able to make a turbo kit for the gti6? ________________________________________ See the sheer power and might of the lesser known burrowing owl. |
Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 18:20
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #94
Tbh i have had 10-12 people asking for turbo manifolds etc just need to get mine done first lol________________________________________ |
Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 19:43
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #95
aaron6 wrote: binkagti wrote: Thinking of boosting again tom?Fatlapit when you have finished your car will you be able to make a turbo kit for the gti6? You never know mate, if i do i want to go down a tried and tested route instead of being the guinea pig and getting shafted for ££££'s lol. Plus would buy a kit and do it myself lol. ________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
Posted 3rd Oct 2012 at 22:56
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #96
fatlapit wrote: Made out of 304 stainless using a standard flange and collector. to make would be about 800 but would do a downpipe to suit for that price. Stainless 304 is not a good material for a turbo exhaust manifold. It will not withstand the heat for long. The welder's nightmare is made with 316TI. 316 has better corrosion resistance and the added titanium makes the material more resistant to high temps than 316 or 304. That is why the price is higher. 321 is even better, if you are rich. 625 is ideal, if you are even richer. |
Posted 4th Oct 2012 at 03:33
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #97
Well not acording to torque techniques and various other exhaust builders. ________________________________________ |
Posted 4th Oct 2012 at 07:41
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FatBastard
Regular Location: Amst Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 190 Status: Offline |
Post #98
Check turbo charging books and the google it as well.I have the DP manifold installed and i am quite happy with it I've even checked the material type of this manifold before buying it after reading several turbo charging books and engine tuning books. |
Posted 4th Oct 2012 at 08:03
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #99
304 has better crack resistance due to elevated carbon, but reduced resistance to corrosion, 316 resists corrosion excellently because of its higher content of chromium and nickel, however it's more likely to crack next to the welds when exposed to temperatures above 450 deg C for long periods due to the formation of crystalline grain structures in the heat affected zones adjacent to the welds.Unless its a marine application with a water cooled exhaust I'd be using 304. Cat back, centreboxes, exhaust tubing and rear silencers/tsilpipes are all ideal things to make from 316 as they deal with far less heat and are subject to cortosion (we've all seen manky looking 'stainless' exhausts) but the manifold, where the real heat is, go 304. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
Posted 4th Oct 2012 at 08:06
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #100
But none of the materials you are talking about beats Inconel £££________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
Posted 4th Oct 2012 at 08:07
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