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Been thinking for a while to either spend a lot of money on the 6 engine, or put different engine in! Been thinking V6, VW 1.8T, etc. But, My mate has just written off his EP3 type r, and I have the chance of the engine really cheap (basically nothing!). Now, anyone think that this engine would fit in the 6 bay? Has it been done before? Or would I be wasting my time? It just seems like a really good, reliable engine, with great power as standard. And can quite easily be tuned to 250bhp I have heard (without needing to rob the bank!)

GTI-6 Type R... LOL
Posted 21st Dec 2011 at 18:23
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been done before by Spoox motorsport IIRC
Posted 21st Dec 2011 at 18:26
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Do it Yes

The vtec and having to rev it will suit the 306 too, and the type r 6 speed?

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Posted 21st Dec 2011 at 18:36
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Bit pointless? What you would gain in power you would lose it torque and it wouldn't be all that faster.

It would be faster obviously but im not sure it would be all that worth it. Charge it and we are talking.

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Posted 21st Dec 2011 at 18:40
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Anyone know anything about the spoox conversion? I'd only do it if the engine fits without too much hassle!
Posted 21st Dec 2011 at 18:42
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Never seen or heard it done by spoox. I know daz quite well.

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Posted 21st Dec 2011 at 18:46
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eliotrw wrote:
Bit pointless? What you would gain in power you would lose it torque and it wouldn't be all that faster.

It would be faster obviously but im not sure it would be all that worth it. Charge it and we are talking.


I wouldnt be going down the SC/turbo route. Its got to be worth it! ... The engine is bomb proof, a lot more reliable than the old 6 engine, and it's a lot more modern, which can only be a plus.
Posted 21st Dec 2011 at 18:51
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eliotrw wrote:
Bit pointless? What you would gain in power you would lose it torque and it wouldn't be all that faster.

It would be faster obviously but im not sure it would be all that worth it. Charge it and we are talking.


Erm peak torque is more or less the same as the 6 engine IIRC. It's higher up the rev range thoWink

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I've said this a few times now but if I were converting GTi-6 I'd be putting a Ford duratec lump in. It's an alloy engine and makes very good power AND torque in NA guise. I know a guy who's running one in his Series 1 Elise which is not in a very high state of tune. However it is making just over 200 bhp and 200 ib/ft torque IIRC. I've heard of 340bhp Duratec's knocking about in NA tune. Not in an Elise tho but in a Caterham Smile

EDIT: obviously no good to you as you've got an EP3 lined up but just my 2p worth Wink

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Posted 21st Dec 2011 at 18:57
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I've said this a few times now but if I were converting GTi-6 I'd be putting a Ford duratec lump in. It's an alloy engine and makes very good power AND torque in NA guise. I know a guy who's running one in his Series 1 Elise which is not in a very high state of tune. However it is making just over 200 bhp and 200 ib/ft torque IIRC. I've heard of 340bhp Duratec's knocking about in NA tune. Not in an Elise tho but in a Caterham Smile

EDIT: obviously no good to you as you've got an EP3 lined up but just my 2p worth Wink


What model is the NA duratec engine in?
Posted 21st Dec 2011 at 19:29
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I'm not sure tbh. I think the ~Fiesta ST is one but the Duratec is the latest Ford engine. It's Caterhams engine of choice now if I'm not mistaken

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So I take it these engines must be really reliable too?
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I sold my type r a few months back and must state these engines are bullet proof!! With some decent breathing mods and changeing exhaust system and swopping the ecu with a k-pro 250bhp is very achievable but will set you back at least 2k second hand parts

But personaly if i owned a 6 again i would invest the money on the 6 lump Wink

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jimmyrallye wrote:
I sold my type r a few months back and must state these engines are bullet proof!! With some decent breathing mods and changeing exhaust system and swopping the ecu with a k-pro 250bhp is very achievable but will set you back at least 2k second hand parts


Thats the main reason I like them, bullet proof. Do you have any idea if it would fit in a 6 engine bay? When I looked under the civic's bonnet, the engine seemed very compact/small compared to the 6 engine!
Posted 21st Dec 2011 at 19:59
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I cant see it not fitting but remember its all the ball ache of getting parts to work of the engine and on the 306 ,, buy the engine of your mate then sell on cheapiest k20 lump i see go for wos £1100 low mileage one looking at £1400 + upwards

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So I take it these engines must be really reliable too?


No idea tbh.

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thewho07 wrote:
Anyone know anything about the spoox conversion? I'd only do it if the engine fits without too much hassle!


How much work is hassle in your opinion?

If you look at the pic posted you will see the mounts are no where near 306 ones. Are you confident with a welder and patient?

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    thewho07

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    dangti6 wrote:
    thewho07 wrote:
    Anyone know anything about the spoox conversion? I'd only do it if the engine fits without too much hassle!


    How much work is hassle in your opinion?

    If you look at the pic posted you will see the mounts are no where near 306 ones. Are you confident with a welder and patient?


    It does look like hassle! LOL
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    Look at the state of that 306, What a mess.
    Can be done well as it has been even in a odd 309
    But the old Ford engine's are pretty good, even the old one's give great results on bodies

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    Been done in a few 309's, been in a 2.2 type r 309 on bodies, was very quick!!

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    Posted 21st Dec 2011 at 23:00
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    If you go for a 2.2 vtec.go h22 not the h22a as its a closed deck and not as tuneable as the h22.also h22 will be cheaper as you can get them out of jdm preludes

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    thewho07 wrote:
    Been thinking for a while to either spend a lot of money on the 6 engine, or put different engine in! Been thinking V6, VW 1.8T, etc. But, My mate has just written off his EP3 type r, and I have the chance of the engine really cheap (basically nothing!). Now, anyone think that this engine would fit in the 6 bay? Has it been done before? Or would I be wasting my time? It just seems like a really good, reliable engine, with great power as standard. And can quite easily be tuned to 250bhp I have heard (without needing to rob the bank!)

    GTI-6 Type R... LOL

    Have you considered Turbo chargeing your gti6 engine with the right mods new internals etc you could get upto 600 bhp.It will cost you around 4k in parts alone if you done the work youself.However if you gave it to one of these so called pug tuners they will charge you 10 k plus all in.
    I was considering what you had in mind the Honda engines are very reliable but it will be a lot of hard work to fit and expensive unless you did it yourself.

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    Posted 22nd Dec 2011 at 00:06
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