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I have a Custom Cages Club roll cage with a few extra bar added, does any one know if I can have it fia tested?________________________________________
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 roberts_306
Senior User  Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 18th Sep 2011 at 21:59
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #2
you'll need a certificate from the cage manufacturer, they will ask for a sample of the fitters welding, plus the added pipework needs to meet the regs in the blue book.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 19th Sep 2011 at 11:50
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,795 Status: Offline |
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i need to do this. i am hoping it isn't too much aggroi sent my welders sample off (phil's) to CC and never heard back whatsoever. i think they fell out with me because i was "the first person to have problems with our cages in 15 years of making them" ________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 19th Sep 2011 at 12:54
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #4
best get on the dognbone!________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 19th Sep 2011 at 13:07
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
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My intentions are to race in the Tin Tops Series maybe next year, I need to find out if my cage is up to specs I phoned CC today they said if I give them numbers from the cage which I have found they can supply me with a MSA certificate.Can anbody answer these other questions 1. Does the Seat need to be within date 2. Am I right that I need an in date harness 3. I need to install a plumbed in fire extinguisher Is there anything else I need to do? ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 19th Sep 2011 at 21:39
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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make sure the plates for the cage and seat bars are up to spec.all the answers are here: http://www.msauk.org/site/cms/contentviewarticle.asp?article=1101 BUT, a lot of the time race series have teir own regs so best to check there first. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 19th Sep 2011 at 21:50
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
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You need in date harnesses and a plumbed in fire extinguisher that has been serviced, and in date. The seat must be FIA approved and in good condition but there is no age limit for club motorsport.________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 19th Sep 2011 at 23:23
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
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Thanks for the help what about the roll cage ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 20th Sep 2011 at 07:32
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
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Custom cages have told me because I purchased a club kit cl3 and purchased extra bars to make it look like a cl4 then it won't be to msa standards they said I need to check with officials or get the angle grinder out I am so p*ssed off with it all________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 18th Oct 2011 at 18:22
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #10
If it's made to Blue Book specs you'll be fine, however, custom cages do have a habit of putting non-blue book bits in (such as the b-pillar braces on the 306 kits), so they need a full test certificate though, if you have that piece it would need to be chopped out and replaced.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 18th Oct 2011 at 18:28
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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Have you got a picture of what you had and what has been added?And what tube was used for the additions? (Size, material and wall thicknesses) ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 18th Oct 2011 at 18:46
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
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This is what I purchased from Custom Cages I also purchased 6 x 1.5 metres of 45 x 2.5 which gives me the same design as the CL4 kit they sell  Installed looks like this  They told me at the time that this would be the cheaper option which it was ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 18th Oct 2011 at 21:12
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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Should be fine then tbh, so long as the rear plates are over 60cm^2 in area.I'm not certain that rear bar would though (harness bar?), I'll have to double check but I think it might fall foul of the demountable members regulations, does it bolt on top of the other tube mount or is it welded in? ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 18th Oct 2011 at 21:25
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
Post #14
Dont use the rear bar for Harnesses as I attach them to standard belt points.Its welded in just to give a bit extra strength ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 18th Oct 2011 at 21:34
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
Post #15
Dont use the rear bar for Harnesses as I attach them to standard belt points.Its welded in just to give a bit extra strength ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 18th Oct 2011 at 21:34
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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Okay, you should get away with that bar then.  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 18th Oct 2011 at 21:53
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roberts_306
Senior User Location: Halesowen Registered: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 789 Status: Offline |
Post #17
Thanks for your help most appreciated  ________________________________________ www.pugsport-racing.co.uk |
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Posted 18th Oct 2011 at 22:05
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,795 Status: Offline |
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where is that going? to rear beam pickup points? can't work it out from my screen here  ________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 11:06
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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not sure those front plates are big enough...should be 120cm2 min, i.e 10x12 or 4"x5" roughly rear ones only need to be 60 sq cm. reinforcement tubes other than the roll cage structure are not allowed ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 12:07
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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That rear bar is allowed as a roll cage member though provided it is welded to the rest of the cage, really it should be between the bottom two legs but you could probably argue it's welded to the rear mounting plates...Got better eyes than me if you can see the front plates though! :edit: Yes, looking back through the project thread there should be a triangular piece welded between the corners on the front spreader plate to make up the area, I commented on that before though. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 14:16
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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I can't see them either..... ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 14:27
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,795 Status: Offline |
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^  what the?!________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 14:48
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
Post #23
indeed...________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 15:11
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,795 Status: Offline |
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having said that phil cable tied mine in and it's not budging________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 15:23
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Looks like it's welded drect to the floorpan, someone's fabricator needs their bottom smacked.  ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 19th Oct 2011 at 16:43
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