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24seven

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Post #26
adam b wrote:
Its like Gran Tourismo in this thread Laugh my ass off


+1. I feel like screaming at the screen every time I read "Stage I this" and "Stage II that" posts. Shut up


Best advice you'll get with the heads on these engines is to pretty much leave them alone unless you're looking for big NA power figures for a race-only engine or silly figure forced induction (iirc the 500bhp+ high boost s/c engine Rich_W built used a stock head, though I may be mistaken). At the very most I'd only get them lightly polished to remove the rough casting finish, but when you look into what sort of difference that actually makes it only contributes something like 5% of the total flow loss through the head. The port shapes on XU cylinder heads are known for being quite well designed, in fact the '6 head is supposedly a little "over-ported" out of the box so it's very easy for them to be ruined by a "specialist".

Spend your money elsewhere and you'll see much better gains. Thumbs up

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Posted 18th Jul 2011 at 22:21
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Post #27
24seven wrote:
adam b wrote:
Its like Gran Tourismo in this thread Laugh my ass off


+1. I feel like screaming at the screen every time I read "Stage I this" and "Stage II that" posts. Shut up


Best advice you'll get with the heads on these engines is to pretty much leave them alone unless you're looking for big NA power figures for a race-only engine. At the very most I'd only get them lightly polished to remove the rough casting finish, but when you look into what sort of difference that actually makes it only contributes something like 5% of the total flow loss through the head. The port shapes on XU cylinder heads are known for being quite well designed. In fact the '6 head is supposedly a little "over-ported" out of the box.

Spend your money elsewhere. Thumbs up


Laugh

Unless it's a PeterT stage I or II regrind, apparently his work is top notch Thumbs up

£450 for a set of stage II regrinds from Oz, can be used with standard pistons too. Was going to go down that route myself but couldn't find the extra £500 + petrol to Rochdale for a remap

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Posted 18th Jul 2011 at 22:18
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haha, seem to remember on the old Gran Tourismo you could get a couple of extra bhp going stage 1,2 then 3 rather than going balls out on stage 3 to start with.

i'd recommend the above Yes


light cams fitted on a standard engine (if possible) and some decent tb's will just scrap 200 on an accurate set of rollers...

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Posted 18th Jul 2011 at 22:21
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Post #29
cwspellowe wrote:
24seven wrote:
adam b wrote:
blah


blah


Laugh

Unless it's a PeterT stage I or II regrind, apparently his work is top notch Thumbs up

£450 for a set of stage II regrinds from Oz, can be used with standard pistons too. Was going to go down that route myself but couldn't find the extra £500 + petrol to Rochdale for a remap



Actually I forgot about his regrinds. I get the impression he names them as such more as a layman's way of distinguishing between the options he offers, but then if you read his website he gives proper lifts and durations for all of them, AND for the Mi16 engines sends you a replacement map chip (not a piggy back jobby) for the ECU. Anything he or Sandy Brown says about these engines you're welcome to take as gospel imo. LOL

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Posted 18th Jul 2011 at 22:25
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I'm pretty sure he could do custom grinds too if you ask him Yes

Having spoke to him though i get the impression he's an old bearded dude in a shack in the middle of nowhere though, with dust and dead wallabies lying around the floor LOL

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Posted 18th Jul 2011 at 22:29
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according to gran turismo you gain around 20bhp just from an oil change!

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Posted 18th Jul 2011 at 23:08
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Post #32
allsmiles wrote:
according to gran turismo you gain around 20bhp just from an oil change!


I've changed my oil 10 times since I got the car.

That's 200bhp extra! Hyper

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Posted 18th Jul 2011 at 23:10
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Exhaust whistle 30bhp+ £5 ebay sorted mate...

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Posted 19th Jul 2011 at 01:46
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Post #34
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b11 bob

Use a full stop for f*ck sake

This is a car forum not a exersize in grammer you want full stops i suggest you search the internet for a english grammer forum

Enjoy your search

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Posted 19th Jul 2011 at 03:08
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Post #35
24seven wrote:
adam b wrote:
Its like Gran Tourismo in this thread Laugh my ass off


+1. I feel like screaming at the screen every time I read "Stage I this" and "Stage II that" posts. Shut up


Best advice you'll get with the heads on these engines is to pretty much leave them alone unless you're looking for big NA power figures for a race-only engine or silly figure forced induction (iirc the 500bhp+ high boost s/c engine Rich_W built used a stock head, though I may be mistaken). At the very most I'd only get them lightly polished to remove the rough casting finish, but when you look into what sort of difference that actually makes it only contributes something like 5% of the total flow loss through the head. The port shapes on XU cylinder heads are known for being quite well designed, in fact the '6 head is supposedly a little "over-ported" out of the box so it's very easy for them to be ruined by a "specialist".

Spend your money elsewhere and you'll see much better gains. Thumbs up
A lot of people have said the same gti 6 head is a very well designed head already but with anything in life theres allways room for improvement correct me if im wroung if you can improve the flow by 5% minimum surely if u combine this with a set of cams the effect is greater kent pt 81 made 27 bhp on a standard engine and head if the head was flowing more air can we say 35 to 40 bhp is realistic surly someone on this forum has had their gti6 head done with set of cams to give us a benchmark figuer to work off so far theres only one person who has come forward and he says 8 bhp witha reworked head is there anyone else ?

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Posted 19th Jul 2011 at 04:03
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Post #36
b11 bob wrote:
mcfc1987 wrote:
b11 bob

Use a full stop for f*ck sake

This is a car forum not a exersize in grammer you want full stops i suggest you search the internet for a english grammer forum

Enjoy your search

Bob,
punctuation is useful. When you want people to understand what you are saying you naturally pause as you speak. That is all punctuation represents.
If you just run all your words together until you run out of breath people would find it hard to follow your thoughts.
Posts without punctuation are harder to read and understand and give the impression you don't care whether people find you hard to read.
Try reading this post without pausing for breath and you will see why.
cheers,
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Posted 19th Jul 2011 at 13:27
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Post #37
b11 bob wrote:
24seven wrote:
adam b wrote:
Its like Gran Tourismo in this thread Laugh my ass off


+1. I feel like screaming at the screen every time I read "Stage I this" and "Stage II that" posts. Shut up


Best advice you'll get with the heads on these engines is to pretty much leave them alone unless you're looking for big NA power figures for a race-only engine or silly figure forced induction (iirc the 500bhp+ high boost s/c engine Rich_W built used a stock head, though I may be mistaken). At the very most I'd only get them lightly polished to remove the rough casting finish, but when you look into what sort of difference that actually makes it only contributes something like 5% of the total flow loss through the head. The port shapes on XU cylinder heads are known for being quite well designed, in fact the '6 head is supposedly a little "over-ported" out of the box so it's very easy for them to be ruined by a "specialist".

Spend your money elsewhere and you'll see much better gains. Thumbs up
A lot of people have said the same gti 6 head is a very well designed head already but with anything in life theres allways room for improvement correct me if im wroung if you can improve the flow by 5% minimum surely if u combine this with a set of cams the effect is greater kent pt 81 made 27 bhp on a standard engine and head if the head was flowing more air can we say 35 to 40 bhp is realistic surly someone on this forum has had their gti6 head done with set of cams to give us a benchmark figuer to work off so far theres only one person who has come forward and he says 8 bhp witha reworked head is there anyone else ?



It's really not as simple as you make it sound and as above, please punctuate your posts. It makes it a lot easier to read if you do.

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Posted 19th Jul 2011 at 18:14
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Post #38
I sent my heaf to cylinder head developements, Had the valve guides replaced and all the seat recut with 3 angles. My advice would be even though he is a top guy, get him to lap all your valves back in and check them well. When I started to lap my valves in the seat cut was shit. I had to regrind them myself to get them correct..
When he looked at the head he agreed that not much could be gained by completeting any head work..
Posted 19th Jul 2011 at 19:50
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Post #39
You are better off spending the money on the valves themselves, mine had a 30 degree back grind on the rear of the inlets. This yielded 7 CFM more flow on Guy Croft's flowbench from 2mm lift onwards, he also did some VERY careful shaping on the SSR (Short side radius) or port floor, but you have to know exactly where to take the metal off or else you will get flow separation which actually reduces flow.

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Posted 19th Jul 2011 at 20:28
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Post #40
24seven wrote:
b11 bob wrote:
24seven wrote:
adam b wrote:
Its like Gran Tourismo in this thread Laugh my ass off


+1. I feel like screaming at the screen every time I read "Stage I this" and "Stage II that" posts. Shut up


Best advice you'll get with the heads on these engines is to pretty much leave them alone unless you're looking for big NA power figures for a race-only engine or silly figure forced induction (iirc the 500bhp+ high boost s/c engine Rich_W built used a stock head, though I may be mistaken). At the very most I'd only get them lightly polished to remove the rough casting finish, but when you look into what sort of difference that actually makes it only contributes something like 5% of the total flow loss through the head. The port shapes on XU cylinder heads are known for being quite well designed, in fact the '6 head is supposedly a little "over-ported" out of the box so it's very easy for them to be ruined by a "specialist".

Spend your money elsewhere and you'll see much better gains. Thumbs up
A lot of people have said the same gti 6 head is a very well designed head already but with anything in life theres allways room for improvement correct me if im wroung if you can improve the flow by 5% minimum surely if u combine this with a set of cams the effect is greater kent pt 81 made 27 bhp on a standard engine and head if the head was flowing more air can we say 35 to 40 bhp is realistic surly someone on this forum has had their gti6 head done with set of cams to give us a benchmark figuer to work off so far theres only one person who has come forward and he says 8 bhp witha reworked head is there anyone else ?



It's really not as simple as you make it sound and as above, please punctuate your posts. It makes it a lot easier to read if you do.
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Im sorry but i disagree it really is simple you either going to get the power figuers quoted or you are not unless somone has had their head done and can quote power figuers we can all say i advise you to do this or go and see so and so but thats opinions only the only thing that counts is results and if you can read posts by me wrote without full stops/ punctuation

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Posted 20th Jul 2011 at 01:38
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Ok mate. You seem like an expert! Roll eyes

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Posted 20th Jul 2011 at 01:49

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