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 phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #201
Nearly there, just need someone to come out and fix my tube bender asap  Piccy from the other day though, hope your seats are low   ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
 Posted 8th Apr 2012 at 21:20
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eddy_gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Durham Registered: 20 Oct 2008 Posts: 8,716 Status: Offline |
Post #202
That is low. I thought that door bar whent from the drivers side to the passanger side when i 1st looked at it.________________________________________ Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 8th Apr 2012 at 23:22
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #203
Specsavers  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 9th Apr 2012 at 00:00
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warner
Junior User  Location: Watford Registered: 10 Feb 2011 Posts: 52 Status: Offline |
Post #204
Phil, do you drop it through the floor to get to the top joins as it were?________________________________________ '96 GTI-6 daily'93 180SX drifter 20 Febuary 1997 - Thursday's car..has far to go?  |
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Posted 9th Apr 2012 at 03:31
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #205
No, the way it's designed you can knock it off it's feet then pull the whole cage back into the rear of the car and weld the joins through the side/rear windows instead.It's good fun getting the feet back under though as it's a fooking tight fit to the shell, right bas**rd of a job. It's an easy job if like some people your cage is inches anyway from everything in the roof though ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 9th Apr 2012 at 12:02
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #206
 Cage welded to the shell, front strut reinforcement tubes in, and rest of tubes slotting in and being welded fully* Now, anyone else wanting a basic cage with a few extra's to the struts would have stopped there, but watch this space and I'll stick the finished pics up tommorow.... Steve manages to sell himself extra tubes without me even being there, must be the best salesman in the world. :*Well, they were at the time, all in now. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 9th Apr 2012 at 22:15
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #207
What bender have you got Phil? And what sort of money do they swap hands for?________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 00:08
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #208
It's a Balaigh RB-250, with some special relieved dies for thin-wall tube work ( just gives less distortion on thin-wall stuff), had no real issues with it until this week, when it's got an intermittent drive fault. I'm not 100% that it's not an issue with our power though as the chop saw has suddenly started tripping switches too. They're about £7.5k, plus another £2-3k or so for some basic tooling. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 00:16
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #209
You have to do a lot of bending for one of those babies to earn its keep. Baileigh is good stuff, I see it in a few shops when I'm out and about, and their gear features on American Chopper quite a bit too. I'd love one but for the little I do it would be way overkill, I do keep half an eye on the local plant auctions as you never know what may pop up. Does yours accept CNC inputs from a computer model of the cage or do you have to work out where you want the bends with measuring the car and run the machine manually?________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 00:26
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gnrlee
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 8,882 Status: Offline |
Post #210
nearly as poverty stricken as a Rallye! coming along nicely!  ________________________________________ Proud Member of the ASTOR Owners Club |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 00:29
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #211
Have to measure and run them off manually, hence using steves cage to set the machine up with it being the first one, given he's local and could let us have the car a fair while, so I can setup and store all the programs/springback/etc in there.Tbh, it would have cost us at least 10k to get the chassis for our next racer bent up out of T45, so the tube bender was a toy for us rather than borrowing/begging/paying for bending done. Had it modified to do 2.5" tube for exhaust work too. Nice bit of kit, frame is much more rigid than the old Ercolina we had, the motor doesn't even slow down when bending the tube for this cage, even though the tube is certified at almost twice the strength compared to MSA's CDS specs. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 00:50
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #212
What needs doing then to stop the wrinkling?________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 00:55
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #213
daveyboy wrote: What needs doing then to stop the wrinkling? On the 2.5" tube? ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 00:57
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #214
No, you mentioned special dies, did they come from the manufacturer or did you have to modify existing dies to get what you wanted? I assume you were getting wrinkling but distortion is what you described.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 01:06
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #215
No, the standard dies will do it without wrinkling the tube, but they also do some specialist dies that force more of the tube to go through tension during bending and then the wiper dies compress it back closer to round.It will help stop wrinkling if you're doing very thin stuff (i.e, less than 1mm wall thickness), but it also gives a much smoother bend with less deformation of the profile of the tube compared to normal dies. Downside is it takes more power to bend the tube compared to standard tooling, and there's a bit more wear and tear on the tooling from the pressure, but it's worth it reduce stress concentrations in the cages imo. It basically gives you a bend that's very close to something that would come off a mandrel bender. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 01:16
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #216
Does oiling the dies help with the wear?________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 01:20
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #217
Yep, just about doubles the tool life, molybdenum forming oil or similar, even WD40 if it's handy. The wear parts are replaceable seperately from the main tooling though.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 01:22
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #218
That simple, cheap cage went out of the window sharpish... Just waiting for someone to look at tube bender in morning and all being well should be able to bend the dash bar up, weld it in and drop the top of the door bars onto it.  Oh, and weld a great rusty hole up in the back :________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 10th Apr 2012 at 23:35
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cjm_harris
Seasoned Pro  Location: Parts for Sale section Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 7,442 Status: Offline |
Post #219
phillipm wrote: Oh, and weld a great rusty hole up in the back :Got your work cut out there mate, the whole car looks rusty    Cage looks spot on, good work  ________________________________________ Chris1999 China Gti6 Supercharged  [Fun car] >>Project Thread<<2000 Bianca 306 Diesel [Work runabout] |
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Posted 11th Apr 2012 at 11:12
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eddy_gti6
Seasoned Pro Location: Durham Registered: 20 Oct 2008 Posts: 8,716 Status: Offline |
Post #220
I want one________________________________________ Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 11th Apr 2012 at 19:37
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #221
Trust it to fecking pour it down with rain just as it gets pushed outside to load it on the trailer :I was gonna get a finished pic after putting the dash bar in, but forgot about out until I'd put all the seats/dash back in the car and then you can't see it anyway  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 11th Apr 2012 at 22:18
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clen666
Seasoned Pro  Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
Post #222
All done like Phil?________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Posted 11th Apr 2012 at 22:19
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #223
Steve's stood looking at the mess we've made and wondering how many months it'll take to paint at the minute :________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 11th Apr 2012 at 22:23
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clen666
Seasoned Pro Location: Co. Durham Registered: 12 Feb 2009 Posts: 2,401 Status: Offline |
Post #224
________________________________________ Team 'unintentional rat look' |
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Posted 11th Apr 2012 at 22:41
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #225
He's not been on for a while though, maybe he's trapped inside and can't work out how to get back out...________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 11th Apr 2012 at 23:33
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