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v6saloon

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hey guys, ive just bought a white gti6 and am going to have the engine put in from my 406.
it is the 210bhp engine which i have been told is more of a challenge on the electrical side of things but my question is this, has anyone had any dealings with pug performance as they have quoted me �1500 all in if i take the two cars to them and they also said they would give me a fiew hundred quid back for the 6 engine! does this seem a little too good to be true?? thanks in advance

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Posted 9th Nov 2010 at 08:29

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pug performance get mixed views, some good some bad.

will they change the cambelt? as its a pig when its in there?
and have they agreed exact figure for your lump?
no doubt they will try and say tut tut ahhhh the compression isnt the best so wel give you 100 for engine Yes

assuming you brought the coupe 406 you can make money back from breaking it after.

Posted 9th Nov 2010 at 12:07

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also ask what they do about the engine mount and shafts as these need modifying Yes

Posted 9th Nov 2010 at 12:09

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pp weld in the 406 mounts on the r/h side, never seen what they do on the left or rear.

As for the 210 lump it will have to go on Emerald or DTA.

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Posted 9th Nov 2010 at 13:55

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The 210 engine is supposed to be a bit of a nightmare - there is a guy on pug306.net putting a 210 in. The older engine was hard enough without all the extra monkeying about. However cams and remaps are available on the new engine.

I think you need to find out exactly what you get for �1500. Does that include the driveshafts and if it does will you keep ABS (ie use the 306 outers). Does it include making the clutch work, sorting out the exhaust downpipe and putting the cable shifter in. There is a lot to think about...

Its worth it in the end but its a lot of work.

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Posted 9th Nov 2010 at 14:16

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Sounds far to cheap to me, The ES9J4s needs a fair amount more work even with the use of a aftermarket ECU, Fuel rails for one,
custom engine mounts, Modded Driveshafts go with either version of the engine, Exhaust, Even the belt and clutch kit is circa �600.00 alone

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Posted 9th Nov 2010 at 23:59

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thanks for the reply guys Smile

the donor car is my 406 saloon and the reason i am using this is that it has had a new clutch and full cambelt kit with water pump in the last 6 months and the engine is very healthy.
The guy i spoke to (colin) said that it can be done with the standard management and i did check a fiew times that this was for the 210 engine
i will have another chat with them and find out a bit more info on what exactly will be done

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Posted 10th Nov 2010 at 07:47

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aslong as they say drive in and drive out you should be fine Thumbs up

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Posted 10th Nov 2010 at 07:57

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Not sure they would honor through the drive in and out cost if it was going to leave them out of pocket. I heard a story of a guy who was turbo charging a 205 that went over budget and they refused to finnish it. However, its a story and i done know how true it is. Pm gti6girl as she knows the garage better than anyone else on here.

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Posted 10th Nov 2010 at 12:46

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i dont know alot about the conversion but when ive been to pug performance before i found him a bit of a cock.
still worth giving nick (gti6girl or gti6/boy) a pm as he does alot with pug performance

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Posted 10th Nov 2010 at 13:06

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The one I've just done in the 309 works out around �4k but that is with all the Exhaust system, Emerald ECU etc,
Mind I doubt you'd get a better install no wires to be seen unlike allot of these.

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Posted 11th Nov 2010 at 02:09

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any pics of the 309?

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Loads, Not on here thou as I have no idea on uploading them, some on 205 drivers and the 309 Forum

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Posted 11th Nov 2010 at 03:23

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another question Blush

slightly off topic but the gti-6 i was going to buy has fell through (turned out to be an absolute shed!) so if anyone buys a white 6 in belper beware
but have found a ph3 2.0 xsi which is very clean, could soneone advise me on the differences between a 6 and an xsi? this would be much appreciated Happy

engine obviously and i believe brakes, suspention??
rear beam or just ARB?
thanks guys

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Posted 14th Nov 2010 at 05:46

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Only diff is front brakes and suspension,rear arb and interior iirc

Posted 14th Nov 2010 at 05:47

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so could i use 6 coilovers on an xsi? couple that with an upgraded arb and it should be the same as using a 6 for the conversion

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Posted 14th Nov 2010 at 06:03

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are lower arms, arb links, track rod ends, driveshafts etc the same?

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Posted 14th Nov 2010 at 06:06

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Everything is basically the same, On Phase 1 XSi's the rear end is the same as the 6, only the front brakes differ, no idea on later ones you never know but ARB at worst which are pence alomost

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Posted 14th Nov 2010 at 07:41

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does anyone know if a dec 99 registered xsi would be multiplex?
also would it be any more difficult for pug performance to do the v6 sonversion on it rather than a gti6?
what it is i need to make a decision on the car today and cannot contact pug performance until tomorrow Crazy

all your advise is much appreciated Big grin

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Posted 14th Nov 2010 at 17:21

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I don't think any 306's have multiplex ecus, If they do it would be the VERY late ones so that shouldn't be an issue. It shouldn't be an issue. Have you considered buying the cherry v6 rallye off pugplus and selling your coupe?

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Posted 14th Nov 2010 at 17:31

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not really as i want the later v6 in mine and have spent a lot on the engine and know it is a good one, also had it dyno'd at 223bhp Big grin

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Posted 14th Nov 2010 at 17:54

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do it to an xsi and dont ruin a 6

personally i wouldnt bother and would just tune the 6 engine.....

good luck anyway and will be interested to see it when done

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Posted 14th Nov 2010 at 19:19

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i was thinking that too, have been trying to make my mind up wether to to that, but i just really like the v6 engine, the way it revs and delivers the power
maybee i'll make my mind up soon Unsure

plus the xsi i went to look at today (which was supposed to be mint was very tatty at best!)

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Posted 14th Nov 2010 at 22:31

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Personally i'd spend the money on your saloon, making it lighter and getting decent suspension and brakes on there (if you haven't already). You'll get more out of it by doing that I think. It will also be a lot more relible because you don't have the driveshaft and other teething problems you'll have in the 306.

Its not worth buying Richard's V6 rallye imo.

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Posted 14th Nov 2010 at 22:50

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if i were to buy a rallye like that it would stay like that, it is an exellent example and i couldn't butcher a car like that.
i was hoping to find a clean shell which is not great mechanically but like you say adam, maybe i will spend some cash on my 406
If i could find lightweight panels for the 406 then i would have made my mind up on that already but it is a difficult car to get bits for

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Posted 15th Nov 2010 at 00:38

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