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cwspellowe

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What a c*nt of a day! had the dash out within an hour, happy days i thought, but when i tried to remove the matrix it was a bit fiddly on the inside. So i figured i'd separate the hoses on the outside and wiggle it out that way.

Problem with that being I didn't realise how brittle they were and they snapped off without much force Blink

Oh and when i did finally get the matrix out i was shocked to see how bad it was in there, half the dash was covered in brown rusty silt!

Couldn't get any worse right? Wrong. Turns out the heater matrix I got was the Valeo one, different connectors so it was never gonna fit Dry

Meh, few days off the road and she'll be back once more, with a working heater now too yay!

I'll get pics up when i can be arsed of all the crap behind the dash

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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 21:28
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with the matrix pipes on the bulkhead, you did hold the little plastic clip across didn't you?

take it you have a/c hence the Valeo unit not fitting?

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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 21:33
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Yeah phase 1 with aircon.

I took off the metal spring clip and, following the guide, tried to wiggle the pipes off. A tiny left/right/left and one of the pipes sheared off Sad

With regards to the matrix, the pipes at the top sit at a different angle. The old one was just clipped to the bulkhead join too, the new one has two bolt holes in it. Was sold to me as suitable for GTI6 with aircon though annoyingly.

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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 21:39
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Doh

there's a second plastic clip!!

valeo is non a/c Doh

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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 22:11
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cwspellowe

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Thing is, been speaking to the guy i got the matrix off, he has two different types, but apparently both are connected to the bulkhead pipe with screws, whereas mine was clipped on.





Could there be a third type, or is there just one connection for all behr matrices?

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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 22:27
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Further to that, here's the state of everything behind the dash. Didn't expect it to be that bad! Think I must have got lucky and had a blockage stopping it from emptying all the coolant out Blink









Inside the heater box



Cracked pipe phail

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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 22:35
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Superglue will stick it back Whistle

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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 22:40
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Major pikeying! Ninja

Think for the cost of replacing the pipes it's better safe than sorry LOL

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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 22:43
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Theres a lad on here breaking a 6 just up the road from me my dad will be calling with him to get the bulk head clip tomorrow evening i'll see what he wants for the pipes as well and can send you them along with the right matrix

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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 22:52
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Awesome, can get some off jonnie for £20 delivered so if you can get them less than that you're onto a winner

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Just pm'd him so fingers crossed Smile

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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 23:01
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doing one of these for a guy off of here at the moment... got the dash out and the pipes off...just got to get the matrix out...thats a job for tomorrow night...his marix looks different to yours chris...

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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 23:28
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Does it have aircon?

Mine does, and i've been told all behr type matrices are the same. here's hoping anyway!

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Twice I've removed that pipe, twice I've broken it. Stupid design, crap materials.

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Posted 11th Oct 2010 at 00:59
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Think it's because it sits right above the exhaust manifold so it goes brittle over time. Stupid f*ckers, manufacturers design cars to work, not for ease of fixing things 15 years down the line

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Yeah that's exactly it, plus there's no way of pulling it out without putting real pressure on the 90 degree bend.

Rarely ends well.

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Posted 11th Oct 2010 at 01:12
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I'd barely even started and it ended badly Dry

Was f*cking annoyed earlier though, was well on track to finishing in under 3 hours and that pipe split, and i noticed i had the wrong matrix.

Funny how a job can go from 3 hours to 5 days in the space of two seconds. Not.

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Posted 11th Oct 2010 at 01:16
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Bad luck matey, I know just how you feel as same happened to me a few weeks back, although I did have the right matrix for mine.

Needed the new pipes asap and Pug now have 130 of mine pound notes for the pleasure Sad

All sorted now though.
ps, check and make sure the brakelight switch is connected when putting back together LOL

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I had the same problems in the spring. Done a post on my findings Smile

The heater matrix you need is: http://www.expresscarparts.co.uk can supply it p/n: P255183
Its £50 delivered and its not listed on the website. so you gotta phone them 01403241346 tell them its the part number and say its the behr style one....

See on the 1st pic of your matrix mine had a self tapper through the lonely hole just in front of the pipe connections on top of the matrix so that might be what he means by screw fixings but its not needed. And the new one I mentioned comes with the connection that goes through the bulk head too.

Good luck getting it back together
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    khj100

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    I had exactly the opposite problem. Bought a BEHR, turned out I needed a Valeo. See For Sale forum if you're interested.

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    Posted 11th Oct 2010 at 03:41
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    cwspellowe

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    Cheers kev i saw that, think i've arranged a straight swap for this one though, and simon's said (lol) he might be able to get hold of the hoses for me too.

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    vernam616

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    I did the same on saturday Sad

    my original matrix didnt look as bad as i thought it might Dunno

    either way the new one is now in, but havnt tried anything yet due to snapped pipes, so just waiting for them from jonny, then its off to get the HG done ! Sad

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    Posted 11th Oct 2010 at 22:11
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    stilly

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    yep, this one is a behr also... i think the owner of this 6 i am doing is goner get that one that kev is selling...couple of hours putting it back together and job done...Razz

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    so your head gasket has gone then Dan ?Sad

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    jimmyrallye wrote:
    so your head gasket has gone then Dan ?Sad


    Everything points to it Sad, however still not got any mix Dunno

    However i do have white smoke even when up to temp, smell of exhaust gases in coolant, coolant pressurisation, really bad MPG, and small power loss

    Ended up spending a fortune last xmas fixing cars when i had that Leon, seems to be a curse for meSad

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    Posted 11th Oct 2010 at 23:57
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