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 lewisdmz
Senior User  Location: plymouth Registered: 25 Jul 2009 Posts: 504 Status: Offline |
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On a car which already has basically no weight over the back, doesn't stripping out the rear just make this worse? I thought even weight distribution is an important factor of handling? Does anyone find the back a bit skittish after some strippage?Don't really know what i'm talking about, just thinking aloud! |
 Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 17:55
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owain
Seasoned Pro  Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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It's a bit hairy if you run standard suspension, but lowering the car, coilovers and thicker anti-roll bars completely solve any issue. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 22:14
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
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I stripped mine for the nordschleife and thought it was pretty good.Suspension wise mine is all standard but i put R888's on for track work these days. The back end does like to come out from time to time but thats never been an issue for me. ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 22:43
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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lewisdmz wrote: I thought even weight distribution is an important factor of handling? Only if you believe the BMW marketing machine. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 23:10
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cwspellowe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Calderbank Registered: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 6,496 Status: Offline |
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prism7guy wrote: The back end does like to come out from time to time but thats never been an issue for me. hello sailor  ________________________________________ Bye bye Sundance Kid |
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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 23:10
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lewisdmz
Senior User Location: plymouth Registered: 25 Jul 2009 Posts: 504 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: lewisdmz wrote: I thought even weight distribution is an important factor of handling? Only if you believe the BMW marketing machine. care to elaborate? |
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Posted 10th Oct 2010 at 23:20
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
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cwspellowe wrote: prism7guy wrote: The back end does like to come out from time to time but thats never been an issue for me. hello sailor  ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 11th Oct 2010 at 00:01
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eddy_gti6
Seasoned Pro  Location: Durham Registered: 20 Oct 2008 Posts: 8,716 Status: Offline |
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if your thinking about stripping yours, just strip it  ________________________________________ Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 11th Oct 2010 at 02:23
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lewisdmz
Senior User Location: plymouth Registered: 25 Jul 2009 Posts: 504 Status: Offline |
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lewisdmz wrote: phillipm wrote: lewisdmz wrote: I thought even weight distribution is an important factor of handling? Only if you believe the BMW marketing machine. care to elaborate? nope, useful post then. |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 02:42
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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lewisdmz wrote: On a car which already has basically no weight over the back, doesn't stripping out the rear just make this worse? I thought even weight distribution is an important factor of handling? Does anyone find the back a bit skittish after some strippage? Don't really know what i'm talking about, just thinking aloud! It's 1.2 tonnes of steel with a wheel on each corner, you can take what you want out of the back and provided you don't f*ck up the suspension you will still have plenty of weight bearing down on the rear wheels for great traction. Bear in mind the trailing arms, torsion bars, beam tube, ARB, dampers, fuel tank, most of the exhaust system, driver and passenger, even the tailgate add weight in the centre to rearward portion of the car. Ditching some seats, a bit of carpet and trim is'nt going to upset the balance by much of a margin at all. It will make you feel like Tommi Makkinen though, so I say go for it. If it eases your mind, relocate the battery to the boot, looks racy and means you don't get collared to do runs to the tip with household waste!  ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 02:54
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velar
Regular  Location: swindon Registered: 04 Jan 2009 Posts: 448 Status: Offline |
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daveyboy wrote: If it eases your mind, relocate the battery to the boot, looks racy and means you don't get collared to do runs to the tip with household waste! Or stick a cage in.  :________________________________________ L reg "black and blue" phase 1 track 6 |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 03:02
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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quote: lewisdmz wrote: care to elaborate? nope, useful post then. I'm sorry, I didn't realise I had to be on here 24/7 to help you, please accept my most humble apologies for being so presuptious. From now on I will of course drop everything and run to thhe computer when you need me, and take the laptop with me to the throne room, just in case. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 03:09
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midlife
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!! Team 330™  Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker  Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 03:11
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: quote: lewisdmz wrote: care to elaborate? nope, useful post then. I'm sorry, I didn't realise I had to be on here 24/7 to help you, please accept my most humble apologies for being so presuptious. From now on I will of course drop everything and run to thhe computer when you need me, and take the laptop with me to the throne room, just in case. Do us all a favour Phill, never post from atop the potty mate, it's just wrong  ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 03:20
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
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We've all done it.________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 03:31
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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owain wrote: We've all done it. Dirty bas**rds, glad I only have a desktop PC. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 03:50
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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daveyboy wrote: Do us all a favour Phill, never post from atop the potty mate, it's just wrong You'll never get that image out of your head now, you're scarred for life. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 04:05
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lewisdmz
Senior User Location: plymouth Registered: 25 Jul 2009 Posts: 504 Status: Offline |
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daveyboy wrote: It's 1.2 tonnes of steel with a wheel on each corner, you can take what you want out of the back and provided you don't f*ck up the suspension you will still have plenty of weight bearing down on the rear wheels for great traction. Bear in mind the trailing arms, torsion bars, beam tube, ARB, dampers, fuel tank, most of the exhaust system, driver and passenger, even the tailgate add weight in the centre to rearward portion of the car. Ditching some seats, a bit of carpet and trim is'nt going to upset the balance by much of a margin at all. It will make you feel like Tommi Makkinen though, so I say go for it. If it eases your mind, relocate the battery to the boot, looks racy and means you don't get collared to do runs to the tip with household waste! heh, thanks for that. I'm not particularly inclined to strip yet - my 306 runs on the wrong fuel you see (should keep that on the down low around these parts though  ) . But it's just something that i've wondered for a while. When I get a 6/rallye though... |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 04:24
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lewisdmz
Senior User Location: plymouth Registered: 25 Jul 2009 Posts: 504 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: quote: lewisdmz wrote: care to elaborate? nope, useful post then. I'm sorry, I didn't realise I had to be on here 24/7 to help you, please accept my most humble apologies for being so presuptious. From now on I will of course drop everything and run to thhe computer when you need me, and take the laptop with me to the throne room, just in case. haha, well you certainly managed to reply to that quick enough. Not to dig at you specifically but it just annoys me on forums when people who obviously have a decent knowledge of a topic post smug little 'i know more than you comments' which don't help anyone. Spread the knowledge, it's what it's all about! |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 04:29
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midlife
Seasoned Pro Location: Colne, Lancashire Registered: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 7,544 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: daveyboy wrote: Do us all a favour Phill, never post from atop the potty mate, it's just wrong You'll never get that image out of your head now, you're scarred for life. Curling one out   ________________________________________ Get used to seeing the yellow one !!!Team 330™ Team "no front end or engine" Team "LIMITED EDITION" I live for the 306 sticker Team 0-60 in 6.44 & standing qtr in 14.808 @ 94.55mph all with std engine 203bhp Corolla T-Sport daily driver stealthier than Kwai Chang Caine |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 04:43
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
Post #21
If it wasn't important , Rally teams won't bother to move backwards the engine in their cars, cutting firewalls & so.the 306 is about 63% front. ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 12:50
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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That's more for rotational inertia and the CoG than the outright weight distribution.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 17:39
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janne l
Newbie  Location: Stockholm Registered: 14 Jun 2010 Posts: 15 Status: Offline |
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My cars weight distribution after stripping out the interior, still has the dampening on the firewall, the instrument panel and the original front seats:Weights with a full tank of petrol and 100kg of ballast (me, in the drivers seat) Total: 1220 Front: 820 Rear: 380 Left side: 620 Right side 580 Distribution front/rear 68/32 Distribution left/right 52/48 People picky with numbers will note that the total weight differs from the front/rear or left/right combined. This is due to the scales used that only has a precision of 20kg. ________________________________________ Peugeot 306 GTI -97 Stripped out trackday toyPeugeot 307 SW Griffe -05 Peugeot 206 1,6 Griffe -04 |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 20:01
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: That's more for rotational inertia and the CoG than the outright weight distribution. How is that ? the spinning balancing shafts in the 205T16 cause Ari Vatanen accident and it located in the center of the car. ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 20:02
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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Of the car when it's in yaw.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 13th Oct 2010 at 20:42
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