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Huh? since ive rebuilt my beam it seems that my car doesn't drive as it use to. it doesnt hug the corners as it use to just tends to skip.
also i notice it tends to cock its leg abit more and yes it is nice and free not seize.

i have zx rear shocks hybrid arb and standard tb and the cars lowered around 35mm. ideas?

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 22:42
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what have you got on hte front and what tyes?

anything changed spec wise?

what did you set the distance between the dampers to when fitting the torsion bars?

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 22:49
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bf goodrich g profilers with b4's on the front with pi or p1 springs. distance was 305mm if i member rite Huh?

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 22:51
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305mm would be around 70mm drop Huh?

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:00
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ahhhhh Huh? i wonder standard 330mm zx shocks 300mm doh!!!!

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:20
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only looks a tad lower than before tho? what distance in 30mm drop then welsh??

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:21
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welshpug! wrote:
305mm would be around 70mm drop Huh?


Hmmm, mines set to 285mm Ninja

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:24
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what drop is that? having a blonde moment here

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:35
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Fook knows, mine is the same as CRF450's, Puglover has gone even lowerShock

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:37
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322mm is about 25mm, 320 is about 30mm drop

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:38
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Puglover has gone even lowerShock


Will he retain enough ground clearance for it to climb the curb into the garden across the road? Whistle

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:39
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That's low enough to collect cats eyes LOL

Puglovers got a bit of spring assistance in his dampers though, although when you get that low and stiff there's only so much they'll do LOL

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:42
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midlife wrote:
Puglover has gone even lowerShock


Will he retain enough ground clearance for it to climb the curb into the garden across the road? Whistle



Laugh my ass off that's what I asked him when I saw it Laugh my ass off

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:44
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hmmm ok wrong measurement then...... just done some checking with a mates car it seems to be 40mm not 35 Laugh my ass off but would that cause it to feel how it feels?

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:46
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no point asking those guys what their damper distance is as theyre on far stiffer torsion bars, double the spring rate and more, half the sag.

having the back too low can cause issues especially on standard bars, dull turn in, unstable at the back and similar things.

I raised BrendanM's Nile from 60mm to 25mm last week as well as rebuilding the beam (and putting the rear load compensator on properly having not been done when it visited a well known specialist!)

Hybrid arb and B4 dampers, eibach fronts, eagle F1'a and it drove very nicely, high speed undulations and bumps didnt unsettle it at all.

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:51
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Sounds like iffy beam mounts tbh

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:49
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oki doki not goin to do this now but will pop it up tomorrow and go for another spirited drive and see. planning on getting some adjustables for the front. good or bad idea?

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:51
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Sounds like iffy beam mounts tbh

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:52
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When I was running STD bars it was -50mm & I couldn't get the back end to slide no matter what I tried in the dry, the wet was fun thoughWhistle

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:57
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wasnt trying hard enough then Laugh my ass off

or the front wasnt low enough and it was just understeering!!!

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:59
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Not touching the bumpstops when cornering is it?
Stick a dab of thick paint on the end of 'em and see if they mark the arms...

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Posted 5th Sep 2010 at 23:59
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going to take the bars out tomorrow and start again. also what would cause the anti roll bar bolt to come loose???? looking at wills car today it had dropped out AGAIN

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Posted 6th Sep 2010 at 00:28
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knackered threads probably, adam had that issue with his one, till it was tapped to M12 Laugh my ass off

bloody hybrid arb's are a right PITA with getting the end plates on properly

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Posted 6th Sep 2010 at 00:37
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welshpug! wrote:
322mm is about 25mm, 320 is about 30mm drop


Would these measurements change if you were to use 21mm torsion bars instead of the standard 20's? Or 19's Or whatever they are??? LOL

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Posted 6th Sep 2010 at 00:38
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going to take the bars out tomorrow and start again. also what would cause the anti roll bar bolt to come loose???? looking at wills car today it had dropped out AGAIN


Knackered threads if they've already worked loose once, the forces roll the crest of the thread over.
Drill it, tap it, helicoil it.

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