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Thinking of doing some road rallies so I'm thinking about using MILLERS 10/60 oil because of the prolonged running time of some of these events. Will 10/60 be ok in a 6 lump.
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 rabbit
Junior User  Location: birmingham Registered: 20 May 2010 Posts: 64 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 00:14
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monkgti
Regular  Location: New Ross Registered: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 343 Status: Offline |
Post #2
i have valvoline 10w60 in mine and seems perfect, oil temp seems to stay down more with hard driving and engine is nice and smooth!________________________________________ IF YOU CAN READ THIS IM STILL IN 5TH!!! |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 00:17
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rabbit
Junior User Location: birmingham Registered: 20 May 2010 Posts: 64 Status: Offline |
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Cheers.Anyone else got comments please. |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 00:59
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dented_vts
Regular Location: london Registered: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 440 Status: Offline |
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Why do you want to put -60 grade oil in when the recommended grade is -40? Stick to a dash 40 grade and if you really want to spend some money buy Red Line 5w-40. If the engine get hot fit a better oil cooler and rad simple. |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 01:08
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
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The 60 grade stays more viscous at a higher temperature thats all, however a 5w-60 is bad as it'll be too thin at lower temperatures!Wants to be a 10w-60 imo. ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!!  |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 02:19
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monkgti
Regular Location: New Ross Registered: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 343 Status: Offline |
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well see i tried it as the problem i had was my car was grand when cold but when it got hot would tick say between 1500 and 3500rpm so i thought a higher viscosity oil would help (few people here actually said it might help) but it made no difference, but after having the head done theres not a bit of noise from the engine, but i just kept that oil in anyway... i was never having any problem with the oil overheating but just meant that with this oil the oil temp actually stays down a bit lower under hard driving than the 10w40 did, but thats surely a good thing id of thought?________________________________________ IF YOU CAN READ THIS IM STILL IN 5TH!!! |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 02:26
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
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Mines a track car and i always use 10w-60 keeps the temps lovely and low when caning it! 10w-40 just didn't cut it when on track it overheated after 2 laps at the most, can't see 10w-60 doin any harm in a road car either though....________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 02:36
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dented_vts
Regular Location: london Registered: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 440 Status: Offline |
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jeffers wrote: The 60 grade stays more viscous at a higher temperature thats all, however a 5w-60 is bad as it'll be too thin at lower temperatures! Wants to be a 10w-60 imo. That is complete nonsense. Oil thins as it gets hotter- even the best oil heated from 40 and 100 deg c thins out to 1/8th of the starting viscosity- all the data is readily available form the oil companies. I suggested the redline 5w-40 as it is 15cst at 100 deg and will not sheer down with use- that is already thicker than the factory fill. Part of the job of the oil in the engine is to cool it- therefore lower temps may mean the oil is conducting away less heat. The thickness of the oil is related to tolerances in then engine. -60 oil will be too thick and you run the risk of oil starvation in some areas of the engine at high engine speed. Just because you drive a car on the track does not mean the engine is different or has different requirements. If you car is overheating you need to improve the cooling, sticking in thick oil in the car will not improve the problems and will overall make the situation worse. |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 03:20
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro  Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,304 Status: Offline |
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ive got silkolene 10 50w and it always seem prefect the hottest is goes without a oil cooler fitted is about 110 i tend to take it a bit easy once it hits these temp________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 03:24
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jeffers
Forum Admin Location: Leeds Registered: 14 Dec 2003 Posts: 3,702 Status: Offline |
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dented_vts wrote: jeffers wrote: The 60 grade stays more viscous at a higher temperature thats all, however a 5w-60 is bad as it'll be too thin at lower temperatures! Wants to be a 10w-60 imo. That is complete nonsense. Oil thins as it gets hotter- even the best oil heated from 40 and 100 deg c thins out to 1/8th of the starting viscosity- all the data is readily available form the oil companies. I suggested the redline 5w-40 as it is 15cst at 100 deg and will not sheer down with use- that is already thicker than the factory fill. Part of the job of the oil in the engine is to cool it- therefore lower temps may mean the oil is conducting away less heat. The thickness of the oil is related to tolerances in then engine. -60 oil will be too thick and you run the risk of oil starvation in some areas of the engine at high engine speed. Just because you drive a car on the track does not mean the engine is different or has different requirements. If you car is overheating you need to improve the cooling, sticking in thick oil in the car will not improve the problems and will overall make the situation worse. All i'm trying to say is the 10w60 deals with the heat better, ie deals with the stresses of hard driving better by maintaining its lubrication qualities at a higher temperature, i'm not suggesting sticking a thicker oil in that would be suicide! I've probably put that all wrong as i'm out on a callout and tired but you probably get what i mean! lol  ________________________________________ Team Running Engine again!Team Negative Camber! My Budget track engine build thread! Now appearing at a Trackday near you!! |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 06:04
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro  Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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hovis16 wrote: ive got silkolene 10 50w and it always seem prefect the hottest is goes without a oil cooler fitted is about 110 i tend to take it a bit easy once it hits these temp I use the same stuff and out of the bottle its a little like water but it works better when hot so i dont go over 2.5k revs until it reaches the 90c mark. I have an oil cooler yet it does get hot around the 110c mark. I had water in my oil because of the head, so i had another head fitted, the new oil does still have some water inside it because of this, so would this be the reason why my oil is around the 110 mark when driving ? I am going to change the oil once iv done 500 miles with the new head/oil. Cheers. ________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 13:58
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #12
^^^I'd be changing it a few times over the 500 miles personally.________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 14:12
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
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adam b wrote: ^^^I'd be changing it a few times over the 500 miles personally. Yeah just use some cheap stuff to flush it a few times before switching to something good. ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 14:43
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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ok will do, ill get some cheap standard 10/40 oil, thanks.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 18:16
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dented_vts
Regular Location: london Registered: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 440 Status: Offline |
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jeffers wrote: dented_vts wrote: jeffers wrote: The 60 grade stays more viscous at a higher temperature thats all, however a 5w-60 is bad as it'll be too thin at lower temperatures! Wants to be a 10w-60 imo. That is complete nonsense. Oil thins as it gets hotter- even the best oil heated from 40 and 100 deg c thins out to 1/8th of the starting viscosity- all the data is readily available form the oil companies. I suggested the redline 5w-40 as it is 15cst at 100 deg and will not sheer down with use- that is already thicker than the factory fill. Part of the job of the oil in the engine is to cool it- therefore lower temps may mean the oil is conducting away less heat. The thickness of the oil is related to tolerances in then engine. -60 oil will be too thick and you run the risk of oil starvation in some areas of the engine at high engine speed. Just because you drive a car on the track does not mean the engine is different or has different requirements. If you car is overheating you need to improve the cooling, sticking in thick oil in the car will not improve the problems and will overall make the situation worse. All i'm trying to say is the 10w60 deals with the heat better, ie deals with the stresses of hard driving better by maintaining its lubrication qualities at a higher temperature, i'm not suggesting sticking a thicker oil in that would be suicide! I've probably put that all wrong as i'm out on a callout and tired but you probably get what i mean! lol But the 10W-60 oil will be thicker, thats why its classified as 10w-60 because it much thicker than a -40 oil! If the oil is too thick for the engine it will not lubricate it well. Its quite simple there is an optimum thickness of oil for the engine and its best to use that. there is also an optimum temperature for the engine and its best to achieve that. Dumping expensive thick oil in the enigne improves neither. |
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Posted 6th Aug 2010 at 23:13
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #16
My 10/50 Silk pro race oil is thin so im sure 10/60 can be thin depending on the manufacturer, not all oil is the same.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 7th Aug 2010 at 03:58
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birk
Seasoned Pro  Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
Post #17
tesco are doing mobil 10-40 semi synth for £11 at the mo, bargain  ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo = Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 7th Aug 2010 at 04:11
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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Bargain, is that for 4 or 5 litres ?________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 7th Aug 2010 at 04:17
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birk
Seasoned Pro Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
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5 litres p*ssed me off infact, i'd literally bought the same oil from halfrauds half hour beforehand for £22  ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 7th Aug 2010 at 04:20
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
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I've always used Total quartz 7000 10W40 in mine, i got a 19 row oil cooler fitted and still get to about 125*c on track. I replace the oil after each time on track or 5000 miles, got fed up with buying little 5 litre bottles all the time so bought a 20 litre drum from AEP along with a load of oil filters Does anyone know off-hand what size washer i need for the engine sump plug? I ordered a load with the above order but i must have chose the wrong ones as they are much smaller  ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 7th Aug 2010 at 19:37
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CUJ
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southampton Registered: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 22,218 Status: Offline |
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birk wrote: 5 litres p*ssed me off infact, i'd literally bought the same oil from halfrauds half hour beforehand for £22 Wish I'd known about this, spent twice that on some Fuchs Semi-synth yesterday Fuchs my life ________________________________________ 340 horses |
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Posted 7th Aug 2010 at 19:50
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
Post #22
Oil only lasts up to a year at its best quality when the bottle has been opened. It will last ten years when it has not been opened. Opie oils told me this info BTW.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 7th Aug 2010 at 20:18
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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birk wrote: tesco are doing mobil 10-40 semi synth for £11 at the mo, bargain Which Tescos is this because the superstore near me have no oil offers at all  .________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 8th Aug 2010 at 00:32
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birk
Seasoned Pro Location: Doncaster Registered: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 7,032 Status: Offline |
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Its a tesco extra at the petrol station near my house, maybe its just a one off special for me ________________________________________ Dimma + Gt35 turbo =Solid rear beam mounts £130 07889376885 Dan |
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Posted 8th Aug 2010 at 00:35
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beez_neez_gt
Seasoned Pro Location: @ de limit of adhesion ! Registered: 14 Oct 2008 Posts: 2,916 Status: Offline |
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right so its not tesco's it the tescos petrol station, maybe its because they dont sell any. Ill check it out when i drive by one.________________________________________ Pug fee`ver,Pick a Bogey, buy a Pug. Black 306 GTI 6 Standard, was 60k mileage, bargain!! Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 8th Aug 2010 at 00:53
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