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my understanding is ,gti6 engine need to rev high RPM only can get the power .
but i need a low RPM with high torque engine.
xu10j4r with gti6 piston ?
Thanks
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 mc leong
Junior User  Location: kajang Registered: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 97 Status: Offline |
my understanding is ,gti6 engine need to rev high RPM only can get the power . but i need a low RPM with high torque engine. xu10j4r with gti6 piston ? Thanks |
 Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 10:03
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cress87
Seasoned Pro  Location: Norwich Registered: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 11,360 Status: Offline |
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D-turbo  ________________________________________  You feed beefburgers to swans.  I may have been speeding Mr Policeman but [a] I live for the 306 and [b] did you see that dog? omfg |
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Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 13:07
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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or GTI-6 with xu10j4r inlet manifold________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 13:08
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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NO  J4RS makes more torque than the J4R, if you want more you need more CC or Diesel fuel and a Turbo. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 13:27
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mc leong
Junior User Location: kajang Registered: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 97 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: NO J4RS makes more torque than the J4R, if you want more you need more CC or Diesel fuel and a Turbo. How if gti6 bottom end, and J4R head , pick up will be better the original gti6 ? i need pick up!!! |
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Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 14:34
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mike306
Senior User  Location: Lancs Registered: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 532 Status: Offline |
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Could go for 87mm pistons and a 88/92mm diesel crank which will give you 2.1/ 2.2 litres... or there's always the 3.0 v6 option ________________________________________ High boost '6 for weekends406 2.1 Executive for weekdays |
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Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 14:56
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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See that big stick with a knob in in the middle of the cabin?Use it. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 17:26
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kyleey2k
Regular Location: Blackpool Registered: 10 Aug 2008 Posts: 463 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: See that big stick with a knob in in the middle of the cabin? Use it. spot on |
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Posted 6th Jul 2010 at 22:48
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joevts
Senior User Location: barnsley Registered: 21 May 2008 Posts: 608 Status: Offline |
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J4RS makes at least 115lb/ft from 1750rpm right through to limiter, if thats not enough low down torque you need to either buy a tractor or take a serious look at your driving style. |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 00:04
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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or fit a V6, well over 170 LBFT from 2k to peak of 200 ish dropping to 160 at the limiter.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 00:43
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: or fit a V6, well over 170 LBFT from 2k to peak of 200 ish dropping to 160 at the limiter. considering the weight of the engine it's really another name for the tractor option. ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 03:03
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
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oldbrownshoe wrote: welshpug! wrote: or fit a V6, well over 170 LBFT from 2k to peak of 200 ish dropping to 160 at the limiter. considering the weight of the engine it's really another name for the tractor option. Rubbish. Its all alloy so not as much as you might think my friend. Trust me when I say the handling is 98% of what it was and its a lot quicker than a GTi6 Next time you are in the UK give me a shout for a test drive  ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 03:07
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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adam b wrote: oldbrownshoe wrote: welshpug! wrote: or fit a V6, well over 170 LBFT from 2k to peak of 200 ish dropping to 160 at the limiter. considering the weight of the engine it's really another name for the tractor option. Rubbish. Its all alloy so not as much as you might think my friend. Trust me when I say the handling is 98% of what it was and its a lot quicker than a GTi6 Next time you are in the UK give me a shout for a test drive I will.  i can tell you that those 2% difference means a lot , i had ZX 1.9 Volcane (all alloy engine) and it was beautifully balanced. when i switched to ZX16V , i lost the faith in the chassis, the more violent weight transfer when you move beyond the grip level frightens me, it's like you need to walk barefoot where the floor now covered with rusty nails. the weaker & lighter ZX handled better . i deduced the same for the V6 Vs RFS . ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 14:21
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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if you lost faith in the ZX 16v chassis you best not drive a 306 gti6 as they have even more of the weight % up front for some reason.its a bit silly comparing the 16v directly with the volcane, as they had different dampers and springs, they were much stiffer front and rear, especially rear roll bar. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 14:25
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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My volcane used ZX16V dampers ,Eibach stiffer & lowered springs & Yoko A520 195/45/15 .I drove the GTI6 , the steering is less sharp then the ZX16V. the lost of faith is something that i can deal with, i needed the time to train my self to anticipate it's reaction. ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 14:44
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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did you use 16v springs and rear axle?yoko road tyres are a bit crap really ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 14:53
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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no , just the Eibach Pro-kit in the front,and lowered the ride in the back, still it handled well. i planned more , but then i decided that what i really wanted all the time was the ZX16V. see ?   ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 15:12
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
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that would be where yoyu went wrong, stiffen the front and not the rear and you'll get more understeer and snap oversteer.my zx 16v does not do that. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 15:10
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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My ZX16V is standard, still i'v lost the tail,it went sideway so fast in 130 km/h turn that i needed to paint my hair. ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 15:22
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
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My car is far from standard though now. I agree 2% makes a difference, but I have yet to move weight (battery) backwards and fit stiffer rear springs. The damping setup is rather good ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 16:32
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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do you have the weight of the engine ?the Mi16 132KG the GTI-6 ? (i reckon about 20 KG more) the V6 3L ? (by the way the BMW 330I 6 inline weights 120KG ) ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 20:12
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
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I seem to remember the XU10J4RS being 150kg with no inlet, exhaust, starter, pas, alternator but with the rallye aux bracket and flywheel.The V6 I'm not 100% sure about but was told it was 175 - 180 without ancillaries (starter, pas, alternator). The gearbox weighs 10kg more, the flywheel on mine is 7.1kg total, the clutch will be a tad heavier and the shafts are about 1.5 extra each (but are very modified). It also uses more oil (+1L) and coolant (+ about 4L). If you consider that I don't have aircon, have significantly lighter wheels, tyres, suspension and brakes then there really isn't much in it over a phase 3 gti6. Any weight gain and distribution issues can be overcome fairly easily. It is a fair bit quicker than a GTi6 or my old engine. Its unstressed and has a fair bit of potential, not that I have the money to realise that! I'd love one of those BMW engines - will probably be in the next car I own tbh. Shame its too long to fit transversely! ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 20:54
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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Fits just fine behind the front seats.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 21:02
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: Fits just fine behind the front seats. Come on though - would you bother with that engine if you'd gone to the hassle of getting it behind the front seats? V10 everyday... oh yeah you've got one   ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 21:05
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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adam b wrote: Any weight gain and distribution issues can be overcome fairly easily. how can you overcome about more 50KG which half or more is hanging outside the front axle ? ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 7th Jul 2010 at 21:08
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