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 bobdylan_55
Seasoned Pro  Location: derby Registered: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,466 Status: Offline |
Post #101
the bottom end does straight fit and lowers the compression as they are dished pistons, but i dont know to what extent, or how much boost could be coped with. 10psi easy id imagine. ________________________________________ 309 GTi6-T |
 Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 19:13
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spiky
Seasoned Pro  Location: Cardiff Registered: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,310 Status: Offline |
Post #102
shame they not pocketed as well, as could be a easy fit and then fit nice cams on a gti6 NA  ________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 19:14
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bobdylan_55
Seasoned Pro Location: derby Registered: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,466 Status: Offline |
Post #103
also ive been told the s16 pistons and rods sit around 1mm further down the bore (not sure on accuracy of this but they do sit 1mm down the bore and not flush) so might be good for lowering compression a tad.________________________________________ 309 GTi6-T |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 19:16
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spiky
Seasoned Pro Location: Cardiff Registered: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,310 Status: Offline |
Post #104
handy, though i'm not sure as to how much, that part of engines goes over my head ...lol________________________________________ Do you need a 205 > 306 gti6 plug and go engine loom? PM METORQUES for all your braided fuel line needs MY YouTube Videos' SUPERCHARGED 205 GTI6.... are you Fooking nuts!.... ummmm YIP 268+BHP and 860kg = FUN |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 19:19
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #105
could you not use the hdi box as it Should cope with more torque and thats what kills the box. Dont think tom has ever blown his gear box up to be fair! Know of a few high power turbo cars and they dont seem to have problems with the gear box. |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 19:30
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bobdylan_55
Seasoned Pro Location: derby Registered: 28 Mar 2009 Posts: 1,466 Status: Offline |
Post #106
hdi boxes arnt much better if any, infact the best ones are surposed to be the old be1 from 205 309 gtis as they have helical gears instead of straight cut ones. If you drive it careflly and done floor it everywhere it might be ok, but if you want the full potential from it (especially if your aiming for 350-400bhp) then you should go for the ml5t________________________________________ 309 GTi6-T |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 19:41
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chrisd306
Seasoned Pro  Location: Perth Scotland Registered: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 10,061 Status: Offline |
Post #107
davies is 16v head is on an 8v bottom end with woosenr pistons and diff rods im sure and a Rich_w head gasket.________________________________________ In my garage just now2003 BMW M3 & 2009 L200 Raging Bull & Audi Q5 S Line AX stock rod & Saxo Stock rod Sold the bike an charged rallye an bought a caravan, midlife crisis or what! |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 19:45
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jarrus464
Junior User Location: Great Wyrley, Walsall Registered: 14 May 2007 Posts: 92 Status: Offline |
Post #108
I don't think that the gearboxes off any pug 4 cylinder (be it diesel or petrol) can cope with any more than 300lbft really, I think you may have to source some stronger cogs or a straight cut sequential box |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 20:05
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro  Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #109
jarrus464 wrote: @binkagti, Nice car dude Was thinking about forced induction if/when I get a 6, do you get much trouble with torque steer? and what benefits does your hybrid manifold offer over a standard one? or a modded gti6 one?, and 400lbft sounds a lot for the standard gearbox, I know rich w has trouble containing less than that how does yours cope? and does that boost controller help with a smooth power delivery?, and what management do you use? sorry for all the questions, just looking for inspiration Brett Hi brett Management wise i use efi, same as the peugeot le mans car uses, mine is euro 1 they are euro 8 i think lol. The boost controller was stolen so not using that one, we have mapped the car for each rpm in each gear so very progressive. Not too much torque steer but can catch you out if not holding tight. Gearbox wise mine is standard i think cant remember to be honest, just have to make sure in gear before putting on the power. Have not taken it on track for long so really need to do some testing when i get it back to make sure it all works. Manifold, does have a very good flow rate and one reason we can make so much ft/lbs with the turbo custom done aswell it all works well together. ________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 22:49
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #110
Moving on with more pics:Rollcage, got it fitted but after engine broke decided to let it go to make some money, am gutted i sold it, proper safety devices cage.  One very broken engine lol, can just see he conrod still attached to the crank  Intercooler  Oil cooler behind i/c  Fuel system which i also sold, 1 swirl pot, 1 lift pump and then main cossie pump  New number plate.  First engine build up  ________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 23:03
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jarrus464
Junior User Location: Great Wyrley, Walsall Registered: 14 May 2007 Posts: 92 Status: Offline |
Post #111
binkagti wrote: jarrus464 wrote: @binkagti, Nice car dude Was thinking about forced induction if/when I get a 6, do you get much trouble with torque steer? and what benefits does your hybrid manifold offer over a standard one? or a modded gti6 one?, and 400lbft sounds a lot for the standard gearbox, I know rich w has trouble containing less than that how does yours cope? and does that boost controller help with a smooth power delivery?, and what management do you use? sorry for all the questions, just looking for inspiration Brett Hi brett Management wise i use efi, same as the peugeot le mans car uses, mine is euro 1 they are euro 8 i think lol. The boost controller was stolen so not using that one, we have mapped the car for each rpm in each gear so very progressive. Not too much torque steer but can catch you out if not holding tight. Gearbox wise mine is standard i think cant remember to be honest, just have to make sure in gear before putting on the power. Have not taken it on track for long so really need to do some testing when i get it back to make sure it all works. Manifold, does have a very good flow rate and one reason we can make so much ft/lbs with the turbo custom done aswell it all works well together. thanks dude, so EFI is the company then? I'll look them up, and you had it mapped and limited the torque in certain gears? what boost control do you use now then? |
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 23:41
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sosmotorsport
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
Post #112
av only ever done in one gearbox so far with a genuine 380bhp and mostly track use so getting a hard time , as for a cheap turbo conversion to do it correctly i dont believe anyone can say there is a cheap way and for under 1k a highly doubt it certainly not to see over the 300 mark. ________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 00:21
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #113
Yep i spent around �12000 on my current build, its not cheap, turbo 1 grand exhaust 1 grand pistons and rods more than 1 grand lol, brakes 1 grand, it soon adds up.________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 01:41
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sosmotorsport
Regular Location: falkirk Registered: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 339 Status: Offline |
Post #114
everything is a grand on a 16v turbo a soon found that out hahahaha________________________________________ SOS Motorsportwww.sosmotorsport.co.uk 450bhp 205 16v Turbo www.facebook.com/pages/SOS-Motorsport/159917677353556 |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 01:53
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peder_306
Regular Location: Gothenburg Registered: 23 May 2009 Posts: 131 Status: Offline |
Post #115
binkagti wrote: Yep i spent around �12000 on my current build, its not cheap, turbo 1 grand exhaust 1 grand pistons and rods more than 1 grand lol, brakes 1 grand, it soon adds up. and you are looking at? ________________________________________ Peugeot 306 Dimma Coupé. |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 01:53
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #116
Looking at???________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 02:03
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peder_306
Regular Location: Gothenburg Registered: 23 May 2009 Posts: 131 Status: Offline |
Post #117
binkagti wrote: Looking at??? I ment bhp, sorry.. ________________________________________ Peugeot 306 Dimma Coupé. |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 02:08
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #118
Stated earlier, spiky said the injectors will be maxed out around 360bhp, i will be running almost full cycle so around 350bhp, also hoping for around 350 ft/lbs, last yr was running more, around 400 bhp, no graph to prove but was quite swift.This time want to prove the power and use the car. ________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 10th Jun 2010 at 02:14
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peder_306
Regular Location: Gothenburg Registered: 23 May 2009 Posts: 131 Status: Offline |
Post #119
386�I just bought brand new wossner pistons 87mm with a bored block 87mm with xu10j4rs rods and with ported 8v head and inlet and exhaust manifold. Im going to use the 8v turbo electric and ecu mangement, then i will buy vems for 286� and go 16v Aiming at 300 hp. ________________________________________ Peugeot 306 Dimma Coupé. |
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Posted 13th Jun 2010 at 20:31
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #120
386 quid for what? That cant be pistons and rods surely? |
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Posted 14th Jun 2010 at 14:25
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peder_306
Regular Location: Gothenburg Registered: 23 May 2009 Posts: 131 Status: Offline |
Post #121
pugheaven wrote: 386 quid for what? That cant be pistons and rods surely? I just bought brand new wossner pistons 87mm with a bored block 87mm with xu10j4rs rods and with ported 8v head and inlet and exhaust manifold. for all that ooohh and with 2,1d crank ________________________________________ Peugeot 306 Dimma Coupé. |
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Posted 15th Jun 2010 at 00:59
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #122
just realised you said using standard rods. Should be good! Ps i found a place that will make me my custom inlet for not alot of cash! |
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Posted 15th Jun 2010 at 16:30
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peder_306
Regular Location: Gothenburg Registered: 23 May 2009 Posts: 131 Status: Offline |
Post #123
pugheaven wrote: just realised you said using standard rods. Should be good! Ps i found a place that will make me my custom inlet for not alot of cash! well just pistons goes for �549.99, so it was a bargin with a complete engine. brand new!  how much exactly, pictures? ________________________________________ Peugeot 306 Dimma Coupé. |
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Posted 16th Jun 2010 at 01:14
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fatlapit
Seasoned Pro  Location: STOCKSFIELD Registered: 02 Nov 2010 Posts: 3,040 Status: Offline |
Post #124
Look how far we have come from thisAll of sos cars are still going trong too ________________________________________ |
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Posted 13th Dec 2016 at 18:20
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peder_306
Regular Location: Gothenburg Registered: 23 May 2009 Posts: 131 Status: Offline |
Post #125
fatlapit wrote: Look how far we have come from this All of sos cars are still going trong too HAHAHA ________________________________________ Peugeot 306 Dimma Coupé. |
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