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chrisd306

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Post #76
im running 570 siemens injectors from Rich_w in the rallye well wont be fitted till after remap.

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 01:41
peder_306

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Post #77
binkagti wrote:
Yeah boost does come in nice and early and pulls hard, also need to get some solid boost pipes made.


chrisd306 wrote:
im running 570 siemens injectors from Rich_w in the rallye well wont be fitted till after remap.


project thread anywhere?

Or post up some more pics Big grin

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 01:56
binkagti

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Post #78
No pics of build, i have a few will post them in this thread:

How she was when i bought her:


Kaaz diff:


Steering wheel:


Boost controller which was stolen before fitting, cost £400 and did everything you needed.



Bought these alloys of bigbadbowen, quite kurbed but gti6 boy refurbed them and got them painted:





Fitted toyo t1 r tyres, amazing performance



Kad 6 pot brakes:



Will post more photos later on.

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 02:52
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Post #79
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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 03:40
jarrus464

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Post #80
@binkagti,
Nice car dude Smile
Was thinking about forced induction if/when I get a 6, do you get much trouble with torque steer? and what benefits does your hybrid manifold offer over a standard one? or a modded gti6 one?, and 400lbft sounds a lot for the standard gearbox, I know rich w has trouble containing less than that how does yours cope?
and does that boost controller help with a smooth power delivery?, and what management do you use?

sorry for all the questions, just looking for inspiration Smile

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 04:36
bobdylan_55

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Post #81
sorry to sound like a c*nt, but that car on page 2 was never done on a 1k budget. mine has cost me in teh region of £4k so far and is only just at the stage of being mapped.
the manifold looks like a dp one which are £1k alone, then youve got downpipe, turbo, all ur custom bits like pistons (even standard j2 ones cost some money) and service parts, boost piping etc.
Plus im guessing seeing that no mention was made, it is using the standard box, which is no doubt going to explode as soon as more than 300bhp is put through so ideally an ml5t gearbox should be used as i have.

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 10:25
peder_306

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Post #82
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sorry to sound like a c*nt, but that car on page 2 was never done on a 1k budget. mine has cost me in teh region of £4k so far and is only just at the stage of being mapped.
the manifold looks like a dp one which are £1k alone, then youve got downpipe, turbo, all ur custom bits like pistons (even standard j2 ones cost some money) and service parts, boost piping etc.
Plus im guessing seeing that no mention was made, it is using the standard box, which is no doubt going to explode as soon as more than 300bhp is put through so ideally an ml5t gearbox should be used as i have.



When the cars was white the car was built on 1k budget. And produced 320hp. But you seem to know more than me?

When it became green it got that homemade inlet made by the builders friend and didnt cost 1k haha, material cost and coffe Cool
And a real engine mangement. so im guessing 1.5k 2k at the most to be 400hp+.

The thing is, almost everything on this car is homemade...

What's your spec? DP all the way?
4k it's alot of money...

The s16 engine will produce 300hp+ with only a decompression by plate or pistons and with a real engine mangement.

Im aiming at 2k on my new engine 300hp+
That includes buying another s16 engine.

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 11:09
peder_306

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Post #83


Dp Razz



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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 11:08
snillet

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Post #84
peder_306 wrote:


Dp Razz





For those who want to know about the "crazy and noisy" people that is building this, do a search on "team bonnmeck" on youtube and you“ll find various hysterical turbo:ed engines, that eventually had a car attatched to them.....LOL

"team bonnmeck" by the way means something like "team farmersfix"

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 12:18
rallyestyle

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Post #85
Cool Peder is right, if you can do almost all of the work yourself or get favours from friends then a project can be very cheap, its amazing how much time and skills can cost Yes

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 14:32
spiky

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Post #86
rallyestyle wrote:
Cool Peder is right, if you can do almost all of the work yourself or get favours from friends then a project can be very cheap, its amazing how much time and skills can cost Yes


agreed, i saved a fortune on mine, doing it myself (and mates helping)



Pedar, what Pistons did you use on the 320 conversion?

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 15:02
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Post #87
Injectors, intercooler, pipework, map sensor, boost value, management comes to about a grand. Pistons, rods, turbo, manifold and down pipe comes to quite a bit and you still got all the little bits that soon add up.
Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 17:04
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Post #88
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Injectors, intercooler, pipework, map sensor, boost value, management comes to about a grand.


defo get that lot cheaper than a grand Big grin

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 17:11
pugheaven

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Post #89
Thats all new, injectors 200, map sensor 50, boost value 50 intercooler 100ish ecu 500 hard boost pipe 100.
Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 17:23
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Post #90
ok Smile

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 17:25
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Post #91
Share the info how to get bits cheaper then ;-) please.
Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 17:40
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Post #92
i was agreeing with you matey Big grin

i wont be buying new though, there are already many many parts in circulation that can be used Big grin

used injectors, are cheaper, and on a ford car forum i'm on is a guy that cleans and checks them, cheap, so saves a few quid

ecu's can be had cheaper, that not all singing and dancing, but thats not really needed Big grin

s/h t3's and t34' are fairly cheap too Smile

you can save 150 on a t34 by getting .48 housing instead of a .63, fast spool up, just lest top end power, and as i want fast response this is ideal

or get the rare .55 that was used in rallying Big grin

money can be save in several locations

i'm hoping i can do it for around 2k and fingers crossed that t34 and low comp Big grin so i can run 340'ish

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 17:51
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thats a shame i was hopin you could get cheap bits.
Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 18:17
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Post #94
i will be..lol as they wont be new Smile

the 2 biggest hurdles are low comp and ex manifold

even mapping i can get done for dirt cheap Big grin

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 18:19
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Post #95
here is a 16v turbo being followed by a 8v turbo, good video, the car the camerea is in is up for sale at the moment for 2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJGq68Zd5QY

also davies 205 playing with a 550bhp evo, both videos have 2 warm up laps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC4_qC5ofRU&feature=related

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 18:31
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euan is a 8v turbo Smile (the camera car) currently for sale on here and 205 forum Big grin

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 18:33
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all my work is custom fabricated by me or a friend on the cheap.

Still cost in the region of £200 for the manifold material and welding, £200 for a budget turbo, then you got management which your looking at £300 even for something like megasquirt, then you got boost piping, intercooler, probs another £100 or so, then you got little things such as the decomp plate, service parts.

You could probably just about do the engine side of things for £1k if you made it all yourself, but then you have got clutch, gearbox, a cheap china special turbo which will melt, not to mention all of the parts needed to fit the stronger gearbox such as flywheel, gear selector hyraulic lines for clutch etc. I bet he gets through gearboxes in that every month of so...

price breakdown on my project...

306 GTi6 Head, Turbo Bottom End + ancillaries £400

Engine rebuild components £300

S16 pistons and rods £70

Decompression Plate and sealant £160

Turbo Charger £200 (jaky chung lol)

Turbo manifold steel piping £100

Up rated fuel supply £220

Intercooler £40

Boost piping £130

Oil cooler and fitting kit £90

wastegate, blow off valves etc £130

Fabrication work i.e. welding £125

Exhaust steel pipe and system parts £200

Turbo oil lines £100

Solid Engine mounts £80

Old loom and wire to make new loom £35

Electrical Components (alternator, switches, battery, high current wire etc) £150

Gearbox, clutch, flywheel, selector £400

Driveshafts + driveshaft fabrication work £120

Pedal box with hydraulic clutch and master £270
cylinders + reservoirs

Up rated spark plugs and leads. Coil Pack £60

Thermostat adapter plate £25

Slim line Fan (52mm)£70

Brake line and fittings £45

Total £3700 (ish)

baring in mind some of those things wont be needed as mine was put into a 309 (hence the adapter plates for thermostat) but to do it properly and have it reliable the gearbox is a must in my opinion once you pass 300bhp. This means you need all the custom shafts and what not making up and as you can see i fitted an entire pedal box to support the hydraulic clutch. you could ofcourse just use a single pedal for this to save £100 or so.

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 18:48
spiky

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Post #98
when you say turbo bottom end, you mean a 8v turbo bottom head bolted onto gti6 head?

what CR does that give?

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 18:58
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yeah 8v turbo bottom end from xu10j2te. compression is disregarded as i change the pistons for s16 ones and then add a decomp plate.
final compression is 8.21:1

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 19:03
spiky

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ah ok,

decomp plate is not something i want to use, i was hoping it was a straight fit of the 8v turbo bottom end.

thanks for the info though Big grin

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Posted 9th Jun 2010 at 19:11

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