Post #551
rose joints turned up so I can carry on with my rose joint steering rack
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230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys
Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R
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 rallyeash
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 Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 18:49
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prism7guy
Seasoned Pro  Location: DoncastAAAAARGH Registered: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 4,640 Status: Offline |
Post #552
Nice work Ash, don't suppose you know of any track rods for anything else that would fit a 306/xsara rack but be around 30mm longer than the 306 ones do you?I'm wanting to rose joint mine but in a similar situation to you with the track rods being too short for the joints. I'd rather just buy a pair of new rods to the correct length then mess about making a new set if i can help it. ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 19:42
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eddy_gti6
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Post #553
They do look nice  ________________________________________ Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 19:44
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pugheaven
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Post #554
How do you intend on spacing the rose joint down away from the hub to scheive a bump steer kit? I take it you will be drilling the original tapered hole out so that it's will except a bolt? |
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Posted 29th Jan 2014 at 20:15
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rallyeash
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Post #555
Yeah I use a 306 rod to lengthen the 205 rack so they meet the rose joints as they have 40mm thread length not 70 or whatever a TRE has. I don't know of any other but there M12 x1.5 inside and the outer is M14 x1.5 but you can have whatever on the outer just get joints to match. AllanAllan is making the hub adapters for me. Need to design what I want soon so he can get cracking. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 30th Jan 2014 at 18:25
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prism7guy
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Post #556
Thanks for that Ash, i havent had a proper look at my old rods, but if its just a case of drilling and tapping some bar to the length i want then thats nice and easy for me.The spacers that i made are the two on the right in this picture. Not perfect but i'm sure they'll do the job.  I think the taper in the hub is 5.7 degrees if that's any use for you when designing, unless you are going to drill them out and do it that way, i'm lead to believe its a very common taper angle.  ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 30th Jan 2014 at 20:28
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allanallen
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Post #557
Go on then Steve, spill the beans on your drop pins? They look a bit upside down and with a thread in the middle??! Confuzzled  ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 30th Jan 2014 at 21:00
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rallyeash
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Post #558
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Posted 31st Jan 2014 at 09:54
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rallyeash
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Post #559
I see two options on mine, The left one, similar to Allans bridgecraft design, but a size bigger, drilling the hub to 18mm, M14 Cap head bolt and requires no reducer in the rose joint. Right option Use and M12 bolt, drill the hub to 16mm but require a 2 piece kit to use a M12 cap head bolt. don't think it'll make a huge difference either way, advantage of the M14 option is there is less parts required which I prefer, downside is M14 bolt is pretty big but shouldn't be a problem. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 31st Jan 2014 at 09:59
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allanallen
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Post #560
Kids got skills! M14 one is fine mate, no need to bore hub to 18 though, 16 will be fine. That part is just to accurately locate it in the hub, the clamping force and shoulder takes all the pain  ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 31st Jan 2014 at 10:02
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rallyeash
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Post #561
Allan's Bridgecraft design which mine shares the same theory. My thoughts are when Allan makes my design to also get him to accurately drill the hub and add in some camber to the hubs. Win!   ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 31st Jan 2014 at 10:02
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rallyeash
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Post #562
allanallen wrote: Kids got skills! M14 one is fine mate, no need to bore hub to 18 though, 16 will be fine. That part is just to accurately locate it in the hub, the clamping force and shoulder takes all the pain Haha! You think that 14mm inside and 16mm outside will have enough wall? I understand that the load doesn't go through that part  ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 31st Jan 2014 at 10:05
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allanallen
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Post #563
Yep plenty mate, it's only to locate them. ________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 31st Jan 2014 at 10:09
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rallyeash
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Post #564
Great, so if I get the hubs off, send them up you can drill out the hub to 16mm and also sort me some camber! I have around 8-10mm between the tyre and suspension strut body,________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 31st Jan 2014 at 10:22
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allanallen
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Post #565
No mither buddy!________________________________________ www.bridgecraftmotorsport.co.uk |
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Posted 31st Jan 2014 at 10:31
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demondriverdan
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Post #566
Would bump steer make a big impact on a track only car? I've not driven a car with any sort of bump steer kit so not sure how it would compare to what I feel on my race car.________________________________________ Rallye Race Car |
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Posted 31st Jan 2014 at 13:25
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prism7guy
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Post #567
allanallen wrote: Go on then Steve, spill the beans on your drop pins? They look a bit upside down and with a thread in the middle??! Confuzzled I'll do an update on my project thread at some point over the weekend, don't want to fill Ash's thread up with my stuff  ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
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Posted 31st Jan 2014 at 16:22
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rallyeash
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Post #568
demondriverdan wrote: Would bump steer make a big impact on a track only car? I've not driven a car with any sort of bump steer kit so not sure how it would compare to what I feel on my race car. I notice mine on the road and find on track it's pretty straight, but running the rack at the correct angle is only going to help on a circuit especially some of the undulating ones! ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 2nd Feb 2014 at 17:08
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rallyeash
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Post #569
prism7guy wrote: allanallen wrote: Go on then Steve, spill the beans on your drop pins? They look a bit upside down and with a thread in the middle??! Confuzzled I'll do an update on my project thread at some point over the weekend, don't want to fill Ash's thread up with my stuff Look forward to seeing your update on it? ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 2nd Feb 2014 at 17:09
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rallyeash
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Post #570
Just bought a VTS rack to add to my rose joint setup, means I can also dry build the new rack without having to take my rack apart or off. ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 3rd Feb 2014 at 22:00
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rallyeash
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Post #571
VTS rack turned up and took the 205 track rods and TRE's off. (was fitted to a 205 already)306/rose joints sit a bit longer than 205 length. Might be able to get away with not cutting because of the 309 gear but at worst ill take a bit off.  all built up. ready to test fit!  ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 7th Feb 2014 at 17:47
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prism7guy
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Posted 7th Feb 2014 at 18:59
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
Post #573
I like how this car just keeps improving with age. By 2020 it will be a Group B T16 ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 8th Feb 2014 at 09:50
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rallyeash
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Post #574
I'll also be broke by 2020 if I carry on at this rate!________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 8th Feb 2014 at 10:25
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rallyeash
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Post #575
had a full day on the car today.first of all pulled off the standard rallye rack which is 3.8 turns. I measured my new VTS rose joint rack at a minimum of 126cm, the rack that came off my car from centre to centre of track rod ends was 123mm. so I had to trim down my 306 rods so it would fit. took 20mm off each side.  Then fitted the rack on, had to drop the subframe down to be able to get the VTS one in place. Im awaiting the adaptors to come from allanallen so to get the car back on its wheels I had to drop a couple of bolts through so I can push it back over to its storage.  Then fitted the aero catches back on and fitted some of the panels proper as were just hung on the car for spraying. then gave it a clean, even polished the under side of the bonnet and cleaned the bay. Thing this is the first time ive stood back and started to feel happy about the car since I crashed it last year. Bumpers not fitted proper, have ordered a fitting kit for the front and a pair of the bumper/ inner wing supports in stainless steel so once they arrive ill fit the bumper on correct.   little picture of the wheels and with its new paint....  ________________________________________ 230 hp 2.1 16v XU 205 rallye on jenveys Project thread here309 3dr K20 Type R |
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Posted 9th Feb 2014 at 18:12
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