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 lotek
Seasoned Pro  Location: Berkshire Registered: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 6,107 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 31st May 2010 at 05:00
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey  Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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I'm hoping for 240+ from mine, anything less and I'll be seriously diasppointed.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 31st May 2010 at 05:01
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adamski_306
Regular  Location: Cambridge Registered: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 377 Status: Offline |
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chrisgti wrote: Easy to do mate I am at 270 now  So what are you running to get 270!!!??? |
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Posted 31st May 2010 at 05:07
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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part that go spin at 9500 RPM________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 31st May 2010 at 05:15
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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adamski_306 wrote: chrisgti wrote: Easy to do mate I am at 270 now So what are you running to get 270!!!??? A lot of Longmans parts I imagine  ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 31st May 2010 at 06:35
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER**  Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 23:20
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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309btcc wrote: f*ck longmans jim that btcc engine liam sold that he baught for 6k only made 240bhp the guy who he sold it too dynod it. when pug-performance told us it was 270bhp 30bhp short as usual Did it have the full maniflow system? And did he dyno it to a full 9K? ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 31st May 2010 at 19:02
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309btcc
**DODGY SELLER** Location: england Registered: 07 Jul 2009 Posts: 530 Status: Offline |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 23:20
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chrisgti
Regular Location: chinnor Registered: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 336 Status: Offline |
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No longmons bits all custom done by pug1off ________________________________________ 270 bhp N/A Made by pug1off¼ mile 13.6 |
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Posted 31st May 2010 at 22:06
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
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Chris was it not limited to 8250rpm and was never mapped, iirc your bro used nicks map? |
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Posted 31st May 2010 at 22:12
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chrisgti
Regular Location: chinnor Registered: 08 Jan 2007 Posts: 336 Status: Offline |
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No it has always been mapped mate and it's reving to 9.5k it just has got a shift light on it as it goes off the clock. ________________________________________ 270 bhp N/A Made by pug1off¼ mile 13.6 |
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Posted 31st May 2010 at 22:16
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gtomi-6
Seasoned Pro  Location: southampton Registered: 16 Jan 2009 Posts: 1,136 Status: Offline |
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I was told liams car hadn't been mapped either. Touring car spec by longmans is about 264- 270 I wouldn't say pug 1 off is any better they are bassically doing the same thing . ________________________________________ ph3 gti-6 china blue- mint conditionph2 gti-6 nile blue K.I.A dec 2010 |
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Posted 31st May 2010 at 22:25
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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240 ish and near 200 lbft is quite "easy" from the S16 for relatively little if you don't mind extra CC's, I'd imagine the gti6 could produce similar results from the same recipe.it'll cost you a set of pistons and rods, overbored block, 92mm stroke 2.1 Diesel crank, inlet cam upgrade, Colin Satchel's throttle bodies, maniflow exhaust manifold. If you want a similar power from 2.0 you'll need to chase more revs which means more cam, inevitably more peaky. "touring car" spec from Longmans depends entirely on which year and what intake they were running, there were a few variants from 240 to 270 afaik. As Miles said, the 306 had to run to quite specific regulations, and hence the cam profiles used were somewhat of a compromise, without limitations you can get a far better cam off the shelf or custom ground. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 00:35
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miles
Seasoned Pro  Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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The TC engine figures where always overrated, But if you want a good engine the only place is Sodemo, No one else comes close________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 00:37
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alastairh
Regular Location: Kettering Registered: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 375 Status: Offline |
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309btcc wrote: full maniflow and manifold yes full 9k was shit m8 longman aint as good as he is made out too be i fink the best peugeot tuner is pug1off they have some serious pugs atm I heard from a reliable source that they had been dealing with some 290ish BHP NA RS engines. Certinly not to be sniffed at if it is what it claims to be. ________________________________________ 205 GTI6Primera GT Xsara VTS 306 GTI6 |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 02:44
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
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I have a 'btcc' spec engine in my touring car now, 309btcc's bros old one. I never thought it would make anything more than 250bhp as the touring car engines never made that much in btcc trim. The cams are only about 0.4mm higher lift than standard GTi-6 cams, just longer duration, the rest of the engine is a good spec though so some bigger cams and springs if required soon make them nearer 270bhp. My original touring car engine made 240bhp with the 'standard' inlet manifold on, this one with ITB's on peaked at 252bhp@9k rpm, but settled at 245bhp with a better power curve. Won't be revving it to 9krpm though, probably 8krpm will do, and lose about 10bhp. Revving to 9.5k may be good for bragging rights but 270bhp at 8.5k would be much nicer to drive! ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 04:16
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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James Lumleys EX-BTCC engine on Jenvey bodies made 274 bhp, but I dont know any more of the spec.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 04:25
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
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Whos dyno was that on? Theres only a few 'original' spec engines left, most have higher lift cams in now. I'd be interested to see what Carls 306 makes as I believe thats still original.________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 04:29
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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What's the most anyone has got from one of these engines on a set of 45mm bodies? I'm a little concerned that I won't have enough flow for big top end figures as most of the high power NA guys seem to be on 48s.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 04:51
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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I know DrSarty on drivers forum made 196 lbft and 240 odd bhp through 46mm bodies.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 05:23
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miles
Seasoned Pro Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
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You get get over 300bhp I say without too much troube but you need a few ££££, Might need some larger bodies thou________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 07:25
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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Looks like theres a good chance I won't be held back too badly by 45s then? Coupled to an 8 injector setup I think I should hopefully get the power I'm looking for.________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 14:00
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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as long as you have a decent matched length inlet tract you'd be fine I'd imagine.________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 15:18
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daveyboy
aka Jim Davey Location: Southampton Registered: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 8,648 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: as long as you have a decent matched length inlet tract you'd be fine I'd imagine. I think Jenvey do bolt in spacers, if they do I might experiment a little on the rollers when it's finished. ________________________________________ R H Davey Welding Supplies. I sell new and used welding equipment in the Hampshire area. I take on welding jobs in the evenings, ally casting repairs are one of my specialities but I can weld pretty much anything. PM me with your requirements.Some of my services: (See my for sale threads) Engine mount/chassis repair Solid Beam Mounts BACK IN PRODUCTION Harness bars |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 15:27
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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I was alluding to a proper inlet rather than an off the shelf point the trumpets at the bonnet item  but that is more cash ! ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 1st Jun 2010 at 15:31
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