You could, for track day chic, make those cards out of carbon fibre. Wouldn't cost much. Would be a little 2003 though luvie
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dangerous dave
Seasoned Pro Location: Bedford Registered: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 9,890 Status: Offline |
Post #176
Nice.You could, for track day chic, make those cards out of carbon fibre. Wouldn't cost much. Would be a little 2003 though luvie ________________________________________ You didn't see anything. Right? |
Posted 7th Sep 2010 at 14:33
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owain
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Post #177
Yeah, carbon door cards are about £110 odd, these worked out less than half that plus were far more fun. Much as CF is light as anything I'm not a big fan of how it looks tbh, can't have anyone thinking I care how the car appears ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 7th Sep 2010 at 15:11
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dangerous dave
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Post #178
Ah yes, I meant that you could buy the carbon sheet instead of the acrylic/flock, it'd probably work out the same roughly.I love that the bodge tape is still in the door ________________________________________ You didn't see anything. Right? |
Posted 7th Sep 2010 at 15:22
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owain
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Post #179
Yes yes, that'll be going shortly Still missing the pin for the check strap mind, so normally have to hold the door open with a bit of wood... ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 7th Sep 2010 at 16:23
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owain
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Post #180
NEXTGotta be the windows. That glass is heavy, and it looked easy enough to sort. Starting with the rear side windows, as they looked the easiest (and cheapest) to do. My first thought was to cut out some acrylic sheet to the shape and size of the recess where the old window seal sat. Queue many hours of trial, error and Dremel I had a template that fitted, more or less. Now, this acrylic stuff isn't UV coated, so the car would get awfully hot in the summer months, which we don't want. I therefore decided to get some tinting film on the go to make them more or less match standard. What a pain in the ass that was. Trying to find green tint is impossible, trying to find *any* tinting film which wasn't completely illegal was a mission, and having to hang around in some of the most chav-infested shops I've ever known was damn near unbearable. Still, eventually I found a little shop in Baddow which had a little sample book of how dark they were - in the end I went for the Light Smoke stuff, which is actually exactly the stuff they have in Halfords after all that effort, but Halfords didn't have any samples and were twice the price. It was a little darker than I'd liked, but oh well it'll have to do. Applying the film was also a complete mission. The first one I completely messed up, and it's impossible to remove the glue once it's stuck on. Using the window as a template, I could cut out another one easily enough and try again. This time I had a little more success, having learned the lesson that you simply cannot have enough water on both sides of the film. They both need completely soaking, then the bubbles and water squeegee'd out from underneath. After some more swearing, I ended up with this, which wasn't too bad: As for attaching it to the car, has to be rivets really. Yeah, nooooo. Little bugger just cracked, straight through. "NEVER MIND", said Owain's gritted teeth. "I can make another and attach it with sealant". Cut out, sand edges, tint, let's try sealant. Now to be fair to it, this wasn't specific window sealant - it was a generic glue-in-a-tube type stuff I used for redoing the roof on my shed, but it's solid as. However the issue was keeping the plastic bent against the car enough for the glue to dry. This was not only not easy with one person, it was impossible. At this point I decided that the best thing to do was to take out some anger on the window, and just punch clean through it, leaving you with no window and bleeding knuckles. Good move. Days pass, mind whirrs. The problem here is quite clearly one of materials, standard acrylic is easily available, but just isn't up to the job. What you *actually* want, is proper Lexan sheet. Luckily there's a company who flogs their offcuts on eBay. For the rear quarters I decided to go for 2mm Lexan, which should be more than strong enough for the rears. I'd go for 3 or 4mm for the fronts as they're a larger surface area but for the rears it'll do. This time I planned on simply keeping the existing mechanism and heating the Lexan to get the curve in it; I'd experimented with this with the acrylic and it looked promising. This also meant I didn't have to bother with complex custom templates, I could just mark round the existing glass and cut it out. So this I did. My word what incredible stuff Lexan is. I thought it was slightly poncy acrylic but DAMN. I tried drilling a hole 2mm from the corner - no problem. Rivet through it? No problem. I tried scoring a line to snap along as I'd done before, and it took pretty much my entire bodyweight (=large) to snap it. Genuinely impressive stuff, and clearly the way to go. It's also UV protected as standard, so no need for tinting. I drilled the holes for the original fixings and all was well - the window fitted nicely. However it soon became clear that the stuff was too flimsy to be able to seal properly against the original window seal, even if I did bend it into shape. Okay sack off that idea, we'll go back to rivets knowing it's at least possible with this stuff. I'd bought some rubber seal from a company called Seals Direct, with the initial intention of running it around the outside the plastic before attaching it. Slightly embarassingly, Seals Direct - "Solve your Sealing Problems" - sent me a catalogue of different rubber gaskets and p-section, which my girlfriend found and looked at me with that "I think I might leave you now" look. Luckily I got away with it this time, as it's not one I feel compelled to sit on the sofa and read as I do with Machine Mart or Sealey. I decided instead to run this stuff around the inside of the window frame, to make sure there was a watertight seal. Irritatingly I'd wasted a fair bit if this stuff with draft one of the windows, so came up five inches short. At this point it is acceptable to stick on some draft excluder from your old house and just cover it in black gaffa tape, no-one will ever know. Not forgetting, of course, the obligatory mystery injury: But eventually I got there. Nothing difficult here now it's Lexan, simply drill then rivet. Keep going all round, and you're done. Looks a bit weird there as it's catching the light a bit funny, but it's pretty much flat. As I'd already drilled the holes for the original fixings I just bolted them on anyway, just because. And there we have it. Another day, another couple of kilos saved. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 8th Sep 2010 at 01:03
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silky
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Post #181
Great effort Owain, loving it, looking forward to seeing the final pics of the wheelsOne thing....those wing mirror caps look as though they want to be silver |
Posted 7th Sep 2010 at 17:05
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owain
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Post #182
Cheers matey, I'll get some pics up once they've got rubber on tomorrow. The car came with silver mirrors but they were electric and didn't work thanks to someone previous. Eventually I might start working on the exterior of the car, at which point I'll give 'em some lovin ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 7th Sep 2010 at 20:35
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dangerous dave
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Post #183
Leave the black plastic efforts, they're smart________________________________________ You didn't see anything. Right? |
Posted 7th Sep 2010 at 21:22
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owain
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Post #184
Not as smart as the oil temperature guage I've just screwed to the top of my dashboard, now *that's* a bodge and a half.________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 7th Sep 2010 at 21:26
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adam b
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Post #185
If you decide to make them silver then just wrap them in silver metallic vinyl - loads easier and quicker than spraying Awesome link to the Flocking material. Going to buy some and wrap my dash on the impreza. Its really really bad for reflecting - worse car i've ever had for it. ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
Posted 8th Sep 2010 at 00:22
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owain
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Post #186
Yeah it's good stuff, don't know how it'll handle corners but as a quick fix it's awesome. Was a lucky find, no more ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 8th Sep 2010 at 00:51
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prism7guy
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Post #187
I was thinking of just spray adhesive'ing some black fabric onto the dash of my future track car as a cheap alternative to flocking ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
Posted 8th Sep 2010 at 01:03
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owain
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Post #188
Well in that case definitely use this stuff - they do 650 and 1.2m wide rolls, sticks like poo to a blanket and is thin enough to go over bends and kinks tight enough. Plus it looks pretty good ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 8th Sep 2010 at 01:08
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owain
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Post #189
Wassat? Do the fronts? Fair enough. This time we'll have none of this dicking around with a Dremel, the bandsaw is clearly the way to go. First up we'll start by removing the passenger window, which has never worked in the time I've had the car. Door card off, and the lack of winding action begins to become clear - is that a lump of screwed-up cardboard holding the window up? Surely not. Is this motor meant to be attached to anything? I assume so. Is this slider meant to be vertical? That's what common sense would have you believe. So all that guff comes out, leaving the window attached by CLEAR SILICONE SEALANT (I hope someone somewhere is ashamed of themselves). Peel most of that off, the glass now seems pretty loose, but still attached. Now for issue #1 - I knew I needed to remove this green plastic clip in order to remove the glass (this is OS rather than NS, but it's the only pic I have): Turns out there's a metal clip that needs to slide off the outside of the window, but I didn't really know that at the time. Couple that with the fact that the runners were knackered in a way that meant I couldn't actually drop the window down, and it's frustration time. However eventually I manage to cut my fingers up in such a way that the green clip came out. There's some other white clip on the vertical slider apparently, but I find if you yank the glass hard enough that'll just snap off nicely. There's then a fair amount of crap that can be removed, all this stuff is inside the door (with the exception of the ratchet, that's mine): Hello eBay Lexan offcuts. I cut these out to exactly the same shape and size as the old glass, simply drawn around then cut out. Stuff it up inside the door, make sure it's pushed in as far as it'll go all round, and voila - I just went for drilling three holes through the door and Lexan at the bottom then riveting through. Meant cutting out the seal at three points, but hey ho. The driver's side was pretty similar, except this time it was in working order. I faffed around for ages trying to get stuff loose then the vertical slider broke anyway, which made things a little simpler. Once they're both done, time to fit some Demon Tweeks sliders. Measure twice, drill once: Simple. It's them time to get the Dremel out to cut the hole which made a right old mess in the car, but it was too late to get pictures in, so they'll follow soon... ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 14th Sep 2010 at 23:28
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silky
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Post #190
Wheel update ? |
Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 00:40
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owain
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Post #191
Also on its way, never managed to get any pictures while it was light ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 01:03
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lotek
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Post #192
wheel is in 6th pic up. dont see any 4pots fitted yet tho |
Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 03:43
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eddy_gti6
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Post #193
owain wrote: like the look of these owain wrote: could you not just fit these so you can open and close them or do then need bolting to the body? ________________________________________ Clicky: [url =http://www.306gti6.com]click here[/url] remove the space between [url & = |
Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 03:58
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owain
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Post #194
Rick - I had to can the idea of doing the brakes before Donington in case I messed it up and ended up not being able to go. Weather being okay, they're going on this weekend Eddy - unfortunately not - I'd initially thought about heating them into shape, but they're simply not rigid enough to make a tight seal around the edges, they'd just flap about and let in plenty of water. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 12:47
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rikky
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Post #195
door cards = exactly what i have donei've put a bonding seal all around the inside of the window before i pushed it into place as it'll work loose. you don't want them being sucked out at 100mph! rear qtr window as you said, unless it's formed it'll let water in. mine is a p4p one but i have seen plenty of people do what you've done ________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 18:35
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prism7guy
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Post #196
How watertight are the sliders on the front windows?________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 22:49
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owain
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Post #197
Not particularly - they're okay except obviously the window is curved and the slider is flat, so there's a bit of a gap but any water and air just go past you and well up in the back Haven't driven it much in the rain yet, but I might try heating the slider door into shape a little more. ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 15th Sep 2010 at 22:53
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prism7guy
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Post #198
I was thinking more along the lines of leaving the car stood on the drive, i'm saving up to do something similar but mine will have to live on the drive and i'm worried it will let loads of water in when it rains. Do you bother locking the slider in position to stop unwanted people getting their arms in or do you keep it garaged? ________________________________________ Goldie the track car. |
Posted 16th Sep 2010 at 02:55
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owain
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Post #199
Mine's garaged, so neither of the above are tested I'm afraid ________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 16th Sep 2010 at 02:59
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rikky
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Post #200
sliders will leak water in as will the windows if they aren't bonded but if it's purely a track car then it makes no odds. i have pop-it vents on mine and they snap flush with the window and don't leak but once you start doing stuff like this you are always opening yourself up for water leaks. you get to save a load of weight though!________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
Posted 16th Sep 2010 at 13:37
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