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| Author | Subject: Brake hose replacement |
 anth
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colchester Registered: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 3,651 Status: Offline |
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Just a quick one, I need to change the hoses on the dturbo. I need to get a brake pipe spanner as i tried with an open end one before and failed and destroyed the nut. I know its an 11mm but i have heard people say you also need a 9 and a 14mm as well?? I will be doing all 4, so maybe the other size spanners are needed for the rears? Cheers EDIT: Just released i only have four hoses and the the car is a p1, didn't the p1 use 6 hoses? |
 Posted 15th May 2010 at 23:50
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mr swampy s16
**BAD SELLER**  Location: out and about Registered: 22 Oct 2003 Posts: 10,550 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Only the veryearly cars had 6lines.My s16 was an l plate and had four rear flexis. |
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Posted 15th May 2010 at 23:54
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anth
Seasoned Pro Location: Colchester Registered: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 3,651 Status: Offline |
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mr swampy s16 wrote: Only the veryearly cars had 6lines. My s16 was an l plate and had four rear flexis. Ah OK, hopefully I'm OK then its a 96 model. any idea on the spanner sizes? |
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Posted 15th May 2010 at 23:58
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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DTurbo has drums, hence 4 lines.later P1 disk rear cars were 4 line, 4th august 95 was when the 5th+6th hoses were deleted so the changeover was on the S16, all 6's afaik will be 4 hoses. I think you'll need a 17mm possibly, but not a brake pipe spanner, Draper do the 10/11mm spanner which is all you need apart from the 14mm for the male end of the front hoses. 8mm I think for the bleed nipples, but been a whikle since I worked on the rear end of a 306 with drums, as it happens I will be doing so tomorrow  ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 16th May 2010 at 00:04
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anth
Seasoned Pro Location: Colchester Registered: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 3,651 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: DTurbo has drums, hence 4 lines, later P1 cars were 4 line, 4th august 95 was when the 5th+6th hoses were deleted so the changeover was on the S16, all 6's afaik will be 4 hoses. I think you'll need a 17mm possibly, but not a brake pipe spanner, Draper do the 10/11mm spanner which is all you need apart from the 14mm for the male end of the front hoses. 8mm I think for the bleed nipples, but been a whikle since I worked on the rear end of a 306 with drums, as it happens I will be doing so tomorrow Thanks mate, I will get myself a 11 and 14 then. Would be greatful if you could confirm the sizes of the rear spanners needed. Have fun with it tomorrow |
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Posted 16th May 2010 at 00:07
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,838 Status: Offline |
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I guess you haven't got a standard 10 to 19mm set of spanners? I'd get down to halfords and check their special offers  I'll be allright, I loves it ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 16th May 2010 at 00:11
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anth
Seasoned Pro Location: Colchester Registered: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 3,651 Status: Offline |
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welshpug! wrote: I guess you haven't got a standard 10 to 19mm set of spanners? I'd get down to halfords and check their special offers I'll be allright, I loves it Yeah i have got standard spanners but last time i used a standard spanner to do this it caused me alot of emotional issues  Glad your be alright, i on the other hand probably will have trouble |
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Posted 16th May 2010 at 00:16
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smegal
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #8
Halfords do some nice flare spanners. The draper 10 and 11mm spanner is a good bet. ________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 16th May 2010 at 06:08
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro  Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
Post #9
I use the Facom's , superb quality . but if you already rounded the banjo bolt head as i did, you'll going to suffer. first you'll need to throw away the steel hose , and it's a job from hell. then , don't even think of routing the new steel hose with all it's bents , it won't work. the steel hose could be installed only when you strip the engine from the car . the solution i worked out can be seen in the picture  the nut i destroyed  ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 19th May 2010 at 19:58
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anth
Seasoned Pro Location: Colchester Registered: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 3,651 Status: Offline |
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well im going to give it a reasonble amount of force if that starts to happen il bin the idea off and pay someone to do it i think. |
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Posted 19th May 2010 at 20:01
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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the banjo bolt PSA used have tendency to stick ' and the steel it's made of is too soft and round easly, the method used in american cars are far more superior, if you can , do conversion to the american way : look in this video how it's easy : How to Rebuild Front Brake Calipers : How to Assemble the Banjo Bolt on Your Car ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 21st May 2010 at 16:42
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
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if you are sure its not going to come undone easy then i wouldnt even use the brake pipe spanner id just get the mole grips straight on it and make sure its a firm grip, as soon as its cracked off then use the brake pipe spanner________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 21st May 2010 at 04:47
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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Chop the pipe off and get a 6 sided socket on there.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 21st May 2010 at 04:53
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
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phillipm wrote: Chop the pipe off and get a 6 sided socket on there. yep and mole grips on the solid steel pipe union nut ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 21st May 2010 at 05:00
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anth
Seasoned Pro Location: Colchester Registered: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 3,651 Status: Offline |
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Ok thanks il do that. Is it a good idea to replace the union nut? Can you pick these up from halfords or any motor factors? |
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Posted 21st May 2010 at 20:20
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mr swampy s16
**BAD SELLER** Location: out and about Registered: 22 Oct 2003 Posts: 10,550 Status: Offline |
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To replace the nut on the meal pipe u need a brake pipe flareing tool.Id advise you try not to damage it |
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Posted 22nd May 2010 at 04:47
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oldbrownshoe
Seasoned Pro Location: Holon Israel Registered: 08 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,795 Status: Offline |
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mr swampy s16 wrote: To replace the nut on the meal pipe u need a brake pipe flareing tool. Id advise you try not to damage it There might be not enough length in the pipe to play with . i'd rather prepare for replacing the pipe with complete new one,cut it to three section and flare it. the flare should be adequate for braking with 37 degree angle. ________________________________________ French military victories?Did you mean French military defeats? |
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Posted 22nd May 2010 at 11:40
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anth
Seasoned Pro Location: Colchester Registered: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 3,651 Status: Offline |
Post #18
FailedSo having bought my jack Axel stands and a flare spanner Start to do the job and notice the CV boot is destroyed. I have therefore binned the idea off and taking it to Carl's in Norfolk, I'm now going to the pub with what little money i have left. Thanks for everyone's help though. |
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Posted 22nd May 2010 at 17:13
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ablister
Senior User  Location: fife Registered: 30 Oct 2005 Posts: 522 Status: Offline |
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mr swampy s16 wrote: To replace the nut on the meal pipe u need a brake pipe flareing tool. Id advise you try not to damage it have you ever tried to flare steel pipes? VERY difficult... ________________________________________ 306 rallye, Richard Longman enginerc10gt |
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Posted 24th May 2010 at 01:54
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gilesy
Seasoned Pro  Location: Greenwich - in that London Registered: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 5,133 Status: Offline |
Post #20
I went to replace my rear calipers yesterday> Now the nut cracks off easy enough however it is turning the pipe with it. As I am in France with no spare line, I nipped it back up I will get some new stuff on return to the UK |
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Posted 28th May 2010 at 16:34
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GTI-6
Regular  Location: Brisbane Registered: 18 Apr 2012 Posts: 163 Status: Offline |
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errrr.Drove home from work, brakes were being quite soft - Ive had a hose leaking. Noticed it a week ago and ordered a new hose. old hose was dripping like a dirty hooker. Got to the nut and it was completely seized and slightly rounded. Gave it some WD, an 11mm and a couple of light cracks and it just lost it. I've ground the spline part and removed it that way. ISSUE: I've now got a cut brake line. WTF do I do? I've cut it right behind the nut, so it will take a new fitting, but it's steel - I've flared thin copper pipes before, no issue, but this looks nasty. Do I have to remove the entire brake line? Does anyone know the dia of the pipe? Hoping i can get a flange tool, an olive and a fitting. I've worked on heaps of French cars and that is by far the worst design Ive ever seen. Lame. ________________________________________ Love thy 6 |
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Posted 10th Jan 2013 at 08:24
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,795 Status: Offline |
Post #22
photo might help but you need a proper brake spanner really rather than open ended ones. you could also try using some P-grips which are like crocodile teeth (for plumbing usually) to try undoing it. they grip tighter as you turn them________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 10th Jan 2013 at 08:46
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GTI-6
Regular Location: Brisbane Registered: 18 Apr 2012 Posts: 163 Status: Offline |
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Thanks Rikky. I had to cut the steel line as it was just rooted. Taken tomorrow off work to get it sorted. Any suggestions on flaring the pipe? ________________________________________ Love thy 6 |
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Posted 10th Jan 2013 at 08:49
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,795 Status: Offline |
Post #24
tbh every time i've had a brake issue i've just repplaced with 3/16 copper pipe and m10 fittings i think, with a little DIY flaring kit off ebay. the steel stuff is good but too hard to work with when replacement is involved unless you are buying the dealer pre-formed lineswhere is it leaking exactly? or which part needs replacement? ________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 10th Jan 2013 at 08:51
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GTI-6
Regular Location: Brisbane Registered: 18 Apr 2012 Posts: 163 Status: Offline |
Post #25
2 secs, ill stick a photo up________________________________________ Love thy 6 |
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Posted 10th Jan 2013 at 08:59
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