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 rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro  Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #26
It will be your intercooler and piping thats holding you back craig  Are you using the generic low boost map? That was from Zac's orginal low boost which had the larger cooler setup. Chris (Farmer) has/had the same IC setup and was running around the same as you. I have some printouts of mine, i will post them up ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
 Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:09
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:12
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smegal
Seasoned Pro  Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #28
Mine's running a bit  ________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:33
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #29
smegal wrote: Mine's running a bit leaner than yours at higher Revs too. I basically set up my rallye to mimic Zac's car, his produced around the 260bhp mark with the map and i managed to get pretty close to that. Am getting it on the rollers again in a few weeks as for all we know the ones i used may be out, was odd though as everyone else on the day seemed to be down on power! ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:24
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smegal
Seasoned Pro Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #30
I like how yours was also on a dyno dynamics roller. What PSI is yours boosting?________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:26
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #31
smegal wrote: Mine's running a bit leaner than yours at higher Revs too. ??? Yours is at 12.5:1 AFR, Rallyestyle is at 13:1 to 13.5:1 AFR, no? Ergo, yours is richer  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:30
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smegal
Seasoned Pro Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #32
Sorry I was confused about the reading. ________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:32
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #33
phillipm wrote: smegal wrote: Mine's running a bit leaner than yours at higher Revs too. ??? Yours is at 12.5:1 AFR, Rallyestyle is at 13:1 to 13.5:1 AFR, no? Ergo, yours is richer Is that how it works   ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:33
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #34
smegal wrote: I like how yours was also on a dyno dynamics roller. What PSI is yours boosting? Roughly 7psi mate ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:33
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smegal
Seasoned Pro Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #35
That's the same as mine so that isn't an issue.________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:35
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #36
smegal wrote: That's the same as mine so that isn't an issue. Its the intercooler and piping ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:49
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smegal
Seasoned Pro Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #37
When Zacs was first mapped back in the day though it had this [actual] IC, although my pipe bends are welded which will be restrictive.________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:52
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #38
Well, if it's on the same map, and it's running richer at high rpms, then it's definately pointing to not getting as much air in...________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:56
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #39
smegal wrote: When Zacs was first mapped back in the day though it had this [actual] IC, although my pipe bends are welded which will be restrictive. I think its the latter map he had done though with the bigger IC ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:58
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #40
phillipm wrote: Well, if it's on the same map, and it's running richer at high rpms, then it's definately pointing to not getting as much air in... yep, more air = more power  ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 20:59
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smegal
Seasoned Pro Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #41
Can I just Dremel the f*ck out of my restriction ring or am I risking DET too much?________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 21:00
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rallyestyle
Seasoned Pro Location: London Registered: 23 Jul 2003 Posts: 14,990 Status: Offline |
Post #42
smegal wrote: Can I just Dremel the f*ck out of my restriction ring or am I risking DET too much? That would be the last thing i would do Have a word with rich to find out the map you have, if its for the bigger IC then it might be worth getting it remapped. Given the cost of that though it may well be cheaper to upgrade to a bigger IC ________________________________________ Just Drive It |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 21:04
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
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smegal wrote: Can I just Dremel the f*ck out of my restriction ring or am I risking DET too much? It'd get you the airflow but there would be more heat in the intake charge, so I'd speak to Rich about that first! ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 21:05
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rich_w
Seasoned Pro  Location: Havant, Hampshire Registered: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,412 Status: Offline |
Post #44
Craig,You should see more than 7 PSI boost - you should see about 9 PSI. This could easily equate for the power loss. I think the issue could well be cam timing. Your car has an extremeley poor idle, possibly caused by lack of manifold vacuum / too much cam overlap. I mentioned this to you when you collected the car  With too much overlap, some of the boost will go straight down the exhaust, rather than pressurize the combustion chamber and inlet plenum, hence the low reading on the dyno's boost gauge. It's definitely worth checking and tweaking the cam timimg on the dyno The problem won't be the intercooler - plenty are using the Forge intercooler and getting 240-260 BHP which is the target power for the conversion. Also check what size the restrictor is before the supercharger - let me know what it is. Regards, Rich. ________________________________________ Contact Details:rich@lynxpowerengineering.co.uk 07732 822546 |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 22:00
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allesclar
Seasoned Pro  Location: Sheffield Registered: 17 May 2009 Posts: 4,254 Status: Offline |
Post #45
couldnt it be the case that the car could be over fuelling, rather than not getting enough air?  ________________________________________ Team allesclar ® |
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Posted 24th Feb 2010 at 22:05
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rich_w
Seasoned Pro Location: Havant, Hampshire Registered: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,412 Status: Offline |
Post #46
allesclar wrote: couldnt it be the case that the car could be over fuelling, rather than not getting enough air? It's unlikely, there's less to go wrong on the fuel side of things. Craig supplied all the parts, including the injectors etc. I don't know but I assume they are new. ________________________________________ Contact Details:rich@lynxpowerengineering.co.uk 07732 822546 |
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Posted 25th Feb 2010 at 01:46
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smegal
Seasoned Pro Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #47
The injectors are Zac's old ones from a proven car so they should be ok. I'll look into the boost ring but 27mm is ringing a bell, although I could well of dreamt that number. Where would be the best place to get the cam timing looked at? ________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 25th Feb 2010 at 02:04
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #48
rich_w wrote: allesclar wrote: couldnt it be the case that the car could be over fuelling, rather than not getting enough air? It's unlikely, there's less to go wrong on the fuel side of things. Craig supplied all the parts, including the injectors etc. I don't know but I assume they are new. what injectors did you supply me mate? they say ford on them lol ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 25th Feb 2010 at 02:33
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smegal
Seasoned Pro Location: Leeds Registered: 26 Dec 2005 Posts: 5,940 Status: Offline |
Post #49
They are the correct ones.________________________________________ Ex SC-6Now in a Megane R26 |
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Posted 25th Feb 2010 at 02:35
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simonjames
Seasoned Pro  Location: Whitland S.Wales Registered: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 6,219 Status: Offline |
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andy+katie wrote: rich_w wrote: allesclar wrote: couldnt it be the case that the car could be over fuelling, rather than not getting enough air? It's unlikely, there's less to go wrong on the fuel side of things. Craig supplied all the parts, including the injectors etc. I don't know but I assume they are new. what injectors did you supply me mate? they say ford on them lol there from a 1.4 fiesta from out the back of workshop ________________________________________ All South Wales Members Click HereTeam Supercharged Black RALLYE ™ (Click Here for Build Project) MY EBAY ITEMS 07943066306 |
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Posted 25th Feb 2010 at 02:38
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