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 binkagti
Seasoned Pro  Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
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Hi guys,wondering if i could get this fitted to the 306, i have done a bit of research and know they do shorten the life of the turbo, but have now seen some cars with on off buttons which would be the way to go, would not want it on all the time lol. Have an efi euro 1 management so know idea if that could run it, any info would be handy. Cheers guys ________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
 Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 02:18
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mxcrazy
Regular  Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
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Im sure it would be doable, but why though?Seeing as your in Canterbury im sure youve been to Lydden to see the Rallycross before now? They run anti lag and launch control, because regardless of 4wd they still make 550bhp and 450fl lbs ish in the super cars, thats enough to spin up the stickiest of tyres. |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 03:25
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adam b
Seasoned Pro  Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #3
He is running a load of power, or rather was last time I saw it (400+) Would a different type of turbo help you - not entirely sure if they're applicable but twinscroll or variable vane? Just a thought, but you've probably looked into them already. I know quite a few of the high power Cossies use anti-lag systems. Have had a look over one, but wasn't entirely sure the owner knew what he was talking about when he pointing at bits of it. He had an on/off button and a 400/500/600 switch on the dash for different boost/maps  ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:10
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro  Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
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does antilag work with like a 5th injector or something?________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:10
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Hang on, had a thought:Got space for a supercharger?  ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:13
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buzzbrightyear
Seasoned Pro Location: hiding all receipts for car Registered: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 11,901 Status: Offline |
Post #6
f*cking hell i had a reply way before the screen had even gone back to the thread fromn the reply pageerr wheres the other reply gone lol ________________________________________ andrew315rawson@live.co.ukMoonstone phase 7 gti6 My Project thread: http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=119992&page=1 |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:13
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #7
andy+katie wrote: f*cking hell i had a reply way before the screen had even gone back to the thread fromn the reply page Yeah but I changed it as I'm not more than 50% sure it was correct. ________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:13
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mxcrazy
Regular Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
Post #8
EDIT my original post was wrong, see below. |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:22
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mxcrazy
Regular Location: hastings Registered: 22 Jun 2009 Posts: 456 Status: Offline |
Post #9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antilag_systemcant do clickies, i will learn soon |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:16
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #10
Not sure a chane of turbo is needed, really just want it for the noise, am sure it would become useful at some point________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:26
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adam b
Seasoned Pro Location: The Nam Registered: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 12,828 Status: Offline |
Post #11
binkagti wrote: Not sure a chane of turbo is needed, really just want it for the noise, am sure it would become useful at some point  good work!________________________________________ Nothing to see here |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:28
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #12
Depends how much effect you want, you can get a mild form of anti-lag from the mapping on closed throttle, but it raises engine internal temperatures as well as the exhaust, although not as punishing as a full blown system.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:30
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #13
Sounds like a nice mild system would be the better option. Have heard it puts massive strain on exhaust and manifold, but thats for the full blown system on all the time________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:39
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic  Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #14
would have thought the gearbox would have been a primary concern ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
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Posted 14th Feb 2010 at 04:51
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henrik c
Regular  Location: Søllested Registered: 17 Jan 2008 Posts: 164 Status: Offline |
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http://www.ttj-engineering.dk/Euro%201%20ECU.htm________________________________________ /Henrik C |
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Posted 17th Feb 2010 at 17:39
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #16
Rubbish says no where about anti lag as a feature, maybe it cant be done. Never mind will save the turbo is suppose________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 17th Feb 2010 at 22:55
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #17
What ECU you on?________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 17th Feb 2010 at 23:04
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
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The one above EFI Euro 1________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 17th Feb 2010 at 23:05
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #19
Should be able to set up a mild form using the closed throttle parameters then, you'll want to alter your idle setup to one using as little ignition advance and as much throttle as possible so you can keep enough air flowing through the engine when the throttle's shut though.It'll use more juice and be a bit lumpy on the idle, and it'll be on all the time, but there ya go. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 17th Feb 2010 at 23:08
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mabgti
NV motors  Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
Post #20
Think you can setup antilag on EFi using aux input I've only mapped one nasp with it.If your running a t28rs it'll be fine ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
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Posted 17th Feb 2010 at 23:13
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pete_rallye
Seasoned Pro  Location: Yorkshire Registered: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 5,253 Status: Offline |
Post #21
andy+katie wrote: does antilag work with like a 5th injector or something? I believe anti lag works by chucking fuel into the cylinders then igniting it whilst the exhaust valves are wide open. The force from theigniting petrol goes down the exhaust keeping the turbo spinning at full whack so theres no lag when you next get on the gas. Obviously igniting the petrol with the exhaust valves open causes masses of heat and a nice shockwave to go straight into the manifold and turbo. This is why its not really practical for clubman racers and/or those on a tight budget as the manifolds and turbos tend not to last too long. ________________________________________ Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 1Oulton Park in a BTCC 306 vid 2 Lap of the 'ring |
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Posted 18th Feb 2010 at 02:44
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rich_w
Seasoned Pro  Location: Havant, Hampshire Registered: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,412 Status: Offline |
Post #22
As Pete says, it's not a good on a road car that you don't want to be rebuilding every couple of thousand miles or so.Anti-lag is basically the same as det / pre-ignition, but it's forced to happen after TDC rather than before TDC. It's just an uncrontrolled explosion that commences on the exhuast side of the combustion chamber - the energy of which is used to spin ip the compressor rather than rotate the crankshaft. It's incredibly harsh on exhaust valves, exhaust manifold and turbo. I wouldn't bother.  ________________________________________ Contact Details:rich@lynxpowerengineering.co.uk 07732 822546 |
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Posted 18th Feb 2010 at 02:58
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john gordon
Seasoned Pro  Location: Colwyn Bay Registered: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 1,449 Status: Offline |
Post #23
What you describe is the bang bang method of anti lag. Its not good on a road car, as said valve train takes a beating and the heat in the manifold/turbo gets very high. There are newer forms of anti lag which feed air directly into the exhaust as found on modern wrc cars. ________________________________________ FORD PUMA: the gay car that will have the 6 in the twisties. |
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Posted 18th Feb 2010 at 03:03
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mabgti
NV motors Location: Bham tunnel @7400rpm Registered: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 9,127 Status: Offline |
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Rich.. so launch control controlled via injector pulse would be a no no too?You would prolly be safe running nitrous at timed pulse as an anti lag binka.. ________________________________________ Team Supercharged Gti-6NV Motorsport Automotive Performance Tuning 0121 448 7515 ECU Remapping/ DPF removal VAG/BMW Diag and Option Coding Peugeot Planet ECU coding/transponder programming etc www.nvmotorsport.com Facebook Page Project S6 |
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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 01:24
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binkagti
Seasoned Pro Location: canterbury Registered: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 2,411 Status: Offline |
Post #25
Sounds very technical now lol, might just be with out sounds like the easier option, dont want to be replacing a turbo at around ________________________________________ TEAM Supercharged Rallye |
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Posted 19th Feb 2010 at 01:28
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