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Author | Subject: Crunches in to second when moving? |
mrorange2
Regular Location: Scunthorpe Registered: 12 Jul 2009 Posts: 113 Status: Offline |
Post #1
I have a strange problem my pug had the gearbox oil changed a bit ago since then i have found it hard to get it in gear its got better and can now get it in gear okay except second but only when your moving when stationary goes in to all gears fine but when moving it very hard to get it in second. Im 100% sure the gearbox mount is on its way out or gone could this be the problem? I had the linkages etc checked they are fine.Any help would be great |
Posted 14th Dec 2009 at 10:17
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spike_uk06
Seasoned Pro Location: Billingshurst Registered: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 1,637 Status: Offline |
Post #2
Sure you checked but make sure there is actually enough oil in the box...________________________________________ Team ChinaTeam Pirelli Team Cracked Bumper 92k 20th Nov 1999 she was born |
Posted 14th Dec 2009 at 17:15
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mrorange2
Regular Location: Scunthorpe Registered: 12 Jul 2009 Posts: 113 Status: Offline |
Post #3
Is there a quick way to do this? |
Posted 14th Dec 2009 at 17:16
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nick306gti6
Newbie Location: Bristol Registered: 23 Oct 2009 Posts: 8 Status: Offline |
Post #4
im also getting this problem with mine, but only when im going for it... im really not sure want it is as al the other gears seem to be okay.im going to be doing the clutch on it in the next few weeks i was just wondering if there is anything i should look out for with this problem. |
Posted 2nd Jan 2010 at 22:39
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miles
Seasoned Pro Location: Ringwood Registered: 28 Dec 2002 Posts: 3,433 Status: Offline |
Post #5
Common for the Synro hub's to get weak depending on what oil has been used in the past, And its one of the most abused gear's along with 3rd really.Easy to fix thou is the main thing ________________________________________ 306 Rallye Sptint/Race Car, 205 CTI 1.9 8v to name a fewRoad, Track and Race/Rally car preparation to your personal requirements, Full Workshop & Diagnostic Facilities New and Second parts, from Plugs to Turbo's We now also carry out Routine Servicing www.pugracing.com & FB Page, https://www.facebook.com/PugRacing Ebay; http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Pug-Racing-Shop 2012/2013/2014/2019 Class Winners at Gurston Down Speed Hillclimb & Joint overall, Class record too along the way, |
Posted 3rd Jan 2010 at 07:55
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gilesy
Seasoned Pro Location: Greenwich - in that London Registered: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 5,133 Status: Offline |
Post #6
My gearbox was fine, however since the clutch was changed in refuses to go into third on downshifts, it is seriously like trying to get it in reverse. Will try pug oil next week but not hopeful... |
Posted 3rd Jan 2010 at 08:16
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murphy
Junior User Location: Rugby Registered: 14 Dec 2009 Posts: 95 Status: Offline |
Post #7
Hmmm mine does it in 2nd aswell, but only when dropping down into 2nd???? If i go for it, it shifts upto 2nd no probs just changing down at speed or just slowly down. |
Posted 29th Jan 2010 at 15:42
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tom tom go
Tom Tom GONE!! Location: Doncaster Registered: 29 May 2008 Posts: 1,926 Status: Offline |
Post #8
I have similar problems. When cold lower gears are hard to engage, once warm its fine though, apart from changing down to 2nd. When giving it full throttle all changes are smooth, up and down, and throughout ALL the range !! 2nd gear always tends to be my problem gear though, now and again crunching aswell Now, I have had the clutch changed, new box oil, new clutch cable, and everything checked generally and all seems in fine fettle. So i'm a bit confused, I understand 2nd probably gets the most hammer and I've thought to myself that maybe the synchro mesh is wearing/worn out, would this tally with my descriptions ? Anyone had experiance with, or had a 'box rebuilt, or at least synchros replaced ? And how much wonga we talking ? ________________________________________ Cherry RALLYE |
Posted 1st Feb 2010 at 21:54
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ry
Seasoned Pro Location: Burton / Derby Registered: 06 Jun 2007 Posts: 1,415 Status: Offline |
Post #9
mine's a bit crunchy going into 2nd when cold, but after 5/10 minutes it's fine when it's warmed up a bit more.used to do this on my old one, and generally had 20/25k in that with no issues, and this is fine still too. ________________________________________ Turbocharged Honda Integra Type R DC2 |
Posted 5th Feb 2010 at 18:22
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johnya
Newbie Location: guisborough Registered: 18 Dec 2009 Posts: 21 Status: Offline |
Post #10
ry wrote: My ph1 is exactly the same , when cold it doesn't like to go into 2nd either changing up or down. 93000, ph1 bianca Roughly what would it cost for a garage to change the gearbox oil? inc labour, does anyone know offhand? thanks. John mine's a bit crunchy going into 2nd when cold, but after 5/10 minutes it's fine when it's warmed up a bit more. used to do this on my old one, and generally had 20/25k in that with no issues, and this is fine still too. |
Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 03:59
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,306 Status: Offline |
Post #11
mine also done this until when taking my subframe off i tightened the selector ball/fork and tada problem solved ________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 04:05
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,306 Status: Offline |
Post #12
johnya lazy git do it yourself haha not that hard and saves you cash look in the f.a.q section________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 04:07
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johnya
Newbie Location: guisborough Registered: 18 Dec 2009 Posts: 21 Status: Offline |
Post #13
hovis16 wrote: Will do, thanks johnya lazy git do it yourself haha not that hard and saves you cash look in the f.a.q section |
Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 04:09
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kit
Seasoned Pro Location: Location: Location: Registered: 22 Jan 2009 Posts: 2,394 Status: Offline |
Post #14
tom tom go wrote: I have similar problems. When cold lower gears are hard to engage, once warm its fine though. Tom, I have this exact problem. The bloke I bought it off had it for about 5 years, and he said it's always been like that It's a bit of a pain in the arse to engage 1st to second, and also from 2nd back to 1st, but it becomes smooth after 5 minutes like everybody else. ________________________________________ Racing driver, fighter pilot, astronaut, compulsive liar. |
Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 06:04
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ian7675
Techno Viking Location: Gloucestershire Registered: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 6,068 Status: Offline |
Post #15
Most of these gearboxes crunch going into second when cold. It's perfectly fine. ________________________________________ Less than 24 hours to go! |
Posted 7th Feb 2010 at 13:26
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armzsc6
Seasoned Pro Location: Crowborough Registered: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 3,445 Status: Offline |
Post #16
Try putting a thinner oil in the gearbox, mine was terrible last winter when it was cold, used to just skip 2nd and go for 3rd, Tried about 4 different types of gear oil to rectify and none were any good, Then put 10W/40 engine oil in instead about a year ago and so much smoother in every gear and much easier to get into second when cold. Also greased the ball on the linkage which helps.If you still have problems then you can use ATF e.g TQdexeron etc which is even thinner, Vauxhaul use ATF in all their gearbox's as standard anyway... Not sure how pug syncro's would be on it though i'll try somewhen. ________________________________________ Black power baby! SUUUUUPERCHARGEDSeat Leon FR TDI 190BHP 300lbft daily gti-6 killer :p 12x 306's owned so far Cambelts, clutches, service work carried out on All makes and models, Peugeot Citroen / mitsubishi specialist. Pug planet / Citroen Lexia diagnostics / code reads available. |
Posted 13th Feb 2010 at 18:49
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welshpug!
Capt Pedantic Location: Bigend, Wales. Registered: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 25,839 Status: Offline |
Post #17
armzs16 wrote: Try putting a thinner oil in the gearbox, mine was terrible last winter when it was cold, used to just skip 2nd and go for 3rd, Tried about 4 different types of gear oil to rectify and none were any good, Then put 10W/40 engine oil in instead about a year ago and so much smoother in every gear and much easier to get into second when cold. Also greased the ball on the linkage which helps. If you still have problems then you can use ATF e.g TQdexeron etc which is even thinner, Vauxhaul use ATF in all their gearbox's as standard anyway... Not sure how pug syncro's would be on it though i'll try somewhen. BAD move, pug boxes are sensitive to the correct grade oils, use the wrong one and the synchro's don't last as long at all, shifting quality becomes even worse. ________________________________________ need a part number? get on here - http://public.servicebox.peugeot.comBring on the Trumpets. |
Posted 13th Feb 2010 at 21:13
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deanstacey
Regular Location: Reading Registered: 07 May 2008 Posts: 242 Status: Offline |
Post #18
HiReading this with interest along with other posts on cold gear changes, wondering if anyone can help me. A while ago I had a gear box that was holding gears and whining a bit. I have some plans for the car and as it has done 103K I thought I'd treat it to a gearbox re-condition. This was done by a big transmision company in Reading who charged quite a bit! I went to pick it up and after 300mtrs returned it to them as I couldn't get second. Now I'm assuming they drove it when warm and the gear changes were ok but when I picked it up the car was cold, hence the duff changes. They had a look and called me to say it was now ok, I picked it up and it was, but thinking back it might have been warm to the gear changing was ok. It soon became apparent that it still wouldn't change when cold and was left with them again for a week. When they phoned me to say it was done I asked if they had tried it from cold and they said yes. It isn't and I went if fuming but the manager was on holiday so I'm going back next Tuesday. I understand that a few of you have cold crunching on your old boxes, but this is supposed to be re-conditioned. I'm sure as hell certain that all 6's and Rallye's didn't do this from new!! So my question to you is this. Am I being unreasonable to expect a reconditioned box (new bearings but not synchro's (although they now say they have replaced 2nd but I'm not sure I believe them)) to crunch? Any thought would be appreciated before my Tuesday argument/refund, Ta Dean |
Posted 21st Oct 2010 at 01:51
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jimmyboycheck
Regular Location: bournemouth Registered: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 121 Status: Offline |
Post #19
could be your release bearing on the clutch________________________________________ Silver 6 |
Posted 21st Oct 2010 at 02:35
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deanstacey
Regular Location: Reading Registered: 07 May 2008 Posts: 242 Status: Offline |
Post #20
They put a new clutch in whilst they were there (Valeo) and it didn't have cold crunching issues before it went in.Is the release bearing something that would have been done with the new clutch? |
Posted 21st Oct 2010 at 03:06
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deanstacey
Regular Location: Reading Registered: 07 May 2008 Posts: 242 Status: Offline |
Post #21
Just though I'd update this as the problem has been sorted!I asked them to confirm the oil they used, they told me it was the recomended grade and showed me the book - 75/90. I pointed out it should be 75/80, left it overnight and picked it up in the morning. A couple of cold starts later and again yesterday when it was frosty and all is sorted - no more crunching. So my advice to those with crunching boxes, check your oil grade. |
Posted 16th Nov 2010 at 17:21
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owain
Seasoned Pro Location: Essex Registered: 20 May 2009 Posts: 9,185 Status: Offline |
Post #22
And if that's not it, check your gaiter. I had a crunchy gearbox on my old estate once, turned out I'd dropped some McCoys in between the two front seats.________________________________________ Membership expiring soon, get in contact on our new little forum project. |
Posted 16th Nov 2010 at 18:23
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