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 rubba dubz
Junior User  Location: Cornwall Registered: 27 Sep 2009 Posts: 85 Status: Offline |
Post #26
i dont see the point in spending a ton of money on putting a V-TEC engine in the 6, your much better off camming it with throttle bodies or just supercharging her and if a kick is what your looking for these 2 options are more than enough!!! or buy a civic EK9  |
 Posted 28th Oct 2009 at 22:36
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craigy_87
Seasoned Pro  Location: wishaw Registered: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 1,325 Status: Offline |
Post #27
sure i've seen a 309 with a s2000 engineEDIT: yeah was "kamracing's"   |
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Posted 28th Oct 2009 at 23:00
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sandy
Junior User  Location: Truro Registered: 02 Oct 2005 Posts: 70 Status: Offline |
Post #28
^^^That was done by us. |
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Posted 1st Nov 2009 at 19:31
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craigy_87
Seasoned Pro Location: wishaw Registered: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 1,325 Status: Offline |
Post #29
had a funny feelin when reading your comments above that it might have been you  |
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Posted 1st Nov 2009 at 19:32
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mark.evs
Senior User  Location: Near Bridgend Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 527 Status: Offline |
Post #30
Sorry to bring up an old thread but has anyone done the conversion since 2009? the thing is, i was just looking into a bit for a bit more poke for my track 6 (on a budget mind so i cant afford a s/c) and my mate has just put his '06 EP3 type R sideways through a post and the insurance said he can buy it back cheap. the shell is w**ked but the rest of it might make for a bit of a power upgrade, just looking to see if i can get more pics and info. The spoox phase 1 has the early engine (on the wrong side) so it would be different to that. Cheers ________________________________________ My GTi6 track projectWhite Rallye project |
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Posted 5th Sep 2012 at 15:17
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24seven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Derby Registered: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 6,221 Status: Offline |
Post #31
If what you're looking for is a cheap and easy way to put a CTR engine into a 306, then the answer is there isn't one, unless you can do all the welding and fabrication yourself. Sandy is well known for the work he does, so for him to say it's a ball ache, it's a ball ache!________________________________________ Ph1 306 GTi 6 | RX8 231 S1 | YBR 125 Cafe Racer | MT-03 660 |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 00:57
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306 Rxs
Regular  Location: Gondomar Registered: 01 Jan 1970 Posts: 184 Status: Offline |
Post #32
I've been studying this swap for a long time, and in my opinion, is one of the best joint venture possible.The k20 engine is lighter than a j4rs and a similar position on the engine bay. Engine mounts are easy to fabricate. You don't need to use so much mounts as the original setup on the ep3. The main problem are the driveshafts, because they have to be fabricated. Problems with police...hummm...if i were you, i wouldn't risk it! ________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 01:50
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mark.evs
Senior User Location: Near Bridgend Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 527 Status: Offline |
Post #33
306 Rxs wrote: I've been studying this swap for a long time, and in my opinion, is one of the best joint venture possible. The k20 engine is lighter than a j4rs and a similar position on the engine bay. Engine mounts are easy to fabricate. You don't need to use so much mounts as the original setup on the ep3. The main problem are the driveshafts, because they have to be fabricated. Problems with police...hummm...if i were you, i wouldn't risk it! It's a pure track car, it wont be used on the road. And i might have a few contacts for driveshafts. i'd have to get it all in place and measure them up tho. The car only has half a dash and basic electrics so i'd take the full loom from the civic too. I'd also keep it FWD as that RWD 309 looks ALOT of work. ________________________________________ My GTi6 track projectWhite Rallye project |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 12:16
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jonnie205
Seasoned Pro  Location: Bicester Registered: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 4,146 Status: Offline |
Post #34
I have done the conversion in my mk2 escort with the S2000 engine. You best bet is to drop the engine box and shafts in and see how things look. To be hoenst if your asking on here then maybe you wouldnt have the experince to undertake it. It will take a a huge amount of time and skill to get the right.With the mk2 i removed the manifolds, cut the transmission tunnel out and offered the engine up. I had to make engine and gearbox mounts, prop, exhaust, lower front xmember, notch sump the list goes on, and to be honest it will be easier in RWD. If i was you i would ditch the inlet side of things and go for bodies on management. Good luck   |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 12:46
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staley_306
Regular Location: Leicester Registered: 12 Nov 2011 Posts: 238 Status: Offline |
Post #35
Thats nice. |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 12:49
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mark.evs
Senior User Location: Near Bridgend Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 527 Status: Offline |
Post #36
I'm not expecting it to be straight forward, was just seeing if its been done yet. That Escort looks really clean.________________________________________ My GTi6 track projectWhite Rallye project |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 12:59
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306 Rxs
Regular Location: Gondomar Registered: 01 Jan 1970 Posts: 184 Status: Offline |
Post #37
Being a track car only, you have most of the problems solved...  Swap it all from the civic. The transmissions can easily stay aligned with the original hubs, só there's no problem with that. If you have conditions to do the engine mounts at home or with some friends help, you have all the conditions to start the project. Gearbox linkage are cable one's...you can use the system from the civic, including the inside shifter. Mounting a rwd layout requires too much effort compared to the fwd k20 option. ________________________________________ What is a hybrid?Honda engine...Ford brakes...Peugeot chassis...Vauxhall steering... |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:00
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jonnie205
Seasoned Pro Location: Bicester Registered: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 4,146 Status: Offline |
Post #38
    It took me about 5 years on and off to build it. the shell came form the scrappy but was mint, the shell alone took me the most time as its ful group 4 spec which is an awfull lot of work on an escort then its all the rally parts but its been well worth it, fitted corsa power steering too |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:01
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #39
S2000 going in the buggy next I think.________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:03
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro  Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #40
I have the following things to say.A) i would much rathervhave 170 hp in a proper power band than 190 odd all the way at some silly rpm.  if i wanted more na power i dont see why you just would rip off mattys reliable 2.1 setup with tbs and cams.I think his makes 190 at wheels  C) theres plenty of things you can do with our engines that will give a similar effect In many respects it would be way cheapee to just have a proper na engine build done on your engine. But you could even fit some decent cams and a decat and have 190hp after you have sorted the pistons out with bigger cutouts. Basically. I dont understand why you would this ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:18
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #41
because it's different?  ________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:23
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #42
I suppose... Guess i just like to keepit in house________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 13:28
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mark.evs
Senior User Location: Near Bridgend Registered: 21 Dec 2010 Posts: 527 Status: Offline |
Post #43
eliotrw wrote: I have the following things to say. A) i would much rathervhave 170 hp in a proper power band than 190 odd all the way at some silly rpm. if i wanted more na power i dont see why you just would rip off mattys reliable 2.1 setup with tbs and cams.I think his makes 190 at wheels C) theres plenty of things you can do with our engines that will give a similar effect In many respects it would be way cheapee to just have a proper na engine build done on your engine. But you could even fit some decent cams and a decat and have 190hp after you have sorted the pistons out with bigger cutouts. Basically. I dont understand why you would this This is my dilema! I have a spare head for mine (non tapper), the one on the car is a tapper. I was gonna get some cams and go that route, I know without a s/c or turbo the gti lump is only good for about 200bhp. Then this civic comes about and starting power is 197bhp. so where do i go?  ________________________________________ My GTi6 track projectWhite Rallye project |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:21
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #44
Things is though that 197hp is achieved with basically no more torque than a 6. A 6 engine with similar power would be more flexible imo.What about a v6? 210hp ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:37
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #45
eliotrw wrote: Things is though that 197hp is achieved with basically no more torque than a 6. A 6 engine with similar power would be more flexible imo. Power would be lowee down etc what about a v6? 210hp ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:42
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jonnie205
Seasoned Pro Location: Bicester Registered: 10 Apr 2005 Posts: 4,146 Status: Offline |
Post #46
The vtec is a superior engine, its just the work involved making it happen in a 306, once its in there and running it would be mega |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:52
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #47
i have a 406 v6 coupe. it is too heavy for the car. i can't imagine that in a 306, i think it would be very strange. i am happy to be proved wrong though. i think the 406 v6 could do with being rwd to help out a little bit. don't get me wrong it goes like stink and wipes the floor with my 6 in standard form but it's still a dirty heavy engine________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:55
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #48
eliotrw wrote: Things is though that 197hp is achieved with basically no more torque than a 6. A 6 engine with similar power would be more flexible imo. Power would be lowee down etc what about a v6? 210hp ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:56
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rikky
🦔 Location: cheshire Registered: 28 Feb 2004 Posts: 26,796 Status: Offline |
Post #49
did that vtec lump come as transverse? or both? has sandy lowered for COG reason?________________________________________ 306 rallye reproduction decals (full sets/individual decals) | 306 b-pillar textured vinyl weatherstrips306 slam panel esso stickers | 306 yellow / orange / pension fund red side door badges gti6 inlet manifold badges | 306 rear boot badges (p2/p3) winner of Extraction of toys from prams with outstanding vigour award 2009 [source: gti6 owners club] |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:56
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eliotrw
Seasoned Pro Location: Southwark Registered: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 4,864 Status: Offline |
Post #50
rikky wrote: i have a 406 v6 coupe. it is too heavy for the car. i can't imagine that in a 306, i think it would be very strange. i am happy to be proved wrong though. i think the 406 v6 could do with being rwd to help out a little bit. don't get me wrong it goes like stink and wipes the floor with my 6 in standard form but it's still a dirty heavy engine Its only 25kg more iirc? Granted that weight is forward a bit but you will lose ac any way. A 406 coupe is slower than a 6 though surely? Thoughts their 0-60 is like 7.9? Or is it just the speed when rolling you mean? ________________________________________ Ex- Phase 3 China GTi-6 T-Reg |
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Posted 6th Sep 2012 at 14:59
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