Post #51
is the 400 quid worth the hp i agree that you should get it mapped with cams but not really worth it with the 270. There is alot of things that you should do, like let oil warm up but when at pompey rr day not one member warmed the engine up before it was redlined on the rollers.
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 pugheaven
Seasoned Pro  Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
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 Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:01
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro  Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #52
^^That's just as daft too.Lots of revs and cold oil = ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 21:22
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smithers
Seasoned Pro  Location: Glasgow Registered: 22 Nov 2004 Posts: 1,016 Status: Offline |
Post #53
What he said ^^^^  ________________________________________ 1997 Black GTi6smithers205 at hotmail.com |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 21:25
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #54
if you are after a bit more power and dont mind the idle i dont think adding 270 and not mappin would do much damage. My car has been like it for 3 years now and not a problem, iv now gone to kms as im goin to run throttle bodies and maybe 285, i can justify the map/ecu now. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 21:26
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hovis16
Seasoned Pro  Location: Reading/parts for sale Registered: 21 Nov 2008 Posts: 4,304 Status: Offline |
Post #55
on the note of leaving your car a pug performance! i'd say a big no no the was a rallye when lotek and i went on axel stands outside the garage!!!!! with front wheels off and brembos on show  i nice easy upgrade if you tell me________________________________________ Ph2 Black GTI 6!EX black 6 owner But now a Black caged rallye owner Hunting for Go faster bits! SEARCH click here |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 21:46
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #56
but you got farmers with guns. loland the chickens will scare you away. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 21:51
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #57
If you also go onto the qep web site look at cat cams for the gti6 it doesnt mention anything about an ecu map untill you get to the 285 cams so the same ish profile pipers dont need it either.This is my opinion so do what you want. Do you then get it mapped each time you change air filter, exhaust... Could get |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:19
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #58
and i take it your on about the black rallye?The customer has left the car up their for over two years and nothing has been taken from it. Cheap storage.. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 21:59
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gtomi-6
Seasoned Pro  Location: southampton Registered: 16 Jan 2009 Posts: 1,136 Status: Offline |
Post #59
i asked collin about tea leaves. And he said he has never had a problem . collin told me the farmer would have no problem in gettin the 12 bore out if someone was on his land. I no i wouldnt want to go there on the thieve. And if you do i doubt you would get very far.________________________________________ ph3 gti-6 china blue- mint conditionph2 gti-6 nile blue K.I.A dec 2010 |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:02
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #60
As col lives on the farm i think he might hear you drive up the drive way and stop you.Every garage you go to has a sign to say if you leave your car its at your risk, if you like chickens you can sleep with them to make sure its safe. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:08
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #61
pugheaven wrote: Do you then get it mapped each time you change air filter, exhast... Could get ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:10
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #62
pugheaven wrote: If you also go onto the qep web site look at cat cams for the gti6 it doesnt mention anything about an ecu map untill you get to the 285 cams so the same ish profile pipers dont need it either. And it says nothing of the sort. It recommends a fully adjustable ECU/Carbs or different inlet because a standard system more that likely will not cope properly with the inlet pulses generated with the larger camshafts, even if remapped, it DOES NOT say you shouldn't remap the car, not on the Piper site, not on the Catcams site, not on the Kent site and not on the Newmans site either. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:14
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #63
◄4903156 ► INTAKE EXHAUST clearance [cl] 0.00mm 0.00mm duration [0.1mm+cl] 282 |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:15
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pugheaven
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Post #64
4903106► INTAKE EXHAUST clearance [cl] 0.00mm 0.00mm duration [0.1mm+cl] 267 |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:16
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #65
iv just been on the phone to qep and piper and they say no ecu mods are req. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:17
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #66
Yes?Where does it say 'use with standard ECU settings' or 'No ECU remap required' ? Frankly, yes, they'll run without one, but if they're making more power, then you're running leaner up top, simple as that, at a guess, they're making very little extra power at the minute, but because you haven't remapped the ignition down low, you've now got a slight dip in torque before it comes on cam so it feels better than it really is. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:20
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #67
But does it tell you to? |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:18
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matty_rallye
Senior User  Location: Devizes Registered: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 966 Status: Offline |
Post #68
I cant understand why you would take the chance on not getting an engine mapped when replacing camshafts? If you go to the extent of replacing them then why not make sure the engine is mapped / setup correctly. ________________________________________ 2.1 16v 306 Rallye. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:19
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #69
pugheaven wrote: But does it tell you to? They'd probably assume that anyone replacing a camshaft had at least some knowledge of how an engine worked. Piper list a cam with a powerband to 9krpm, would you try that on a stock engine because it doesn't say anything about need to alter it? ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:23
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pugheaven
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Post #70
My reason was because i Knew i would in the end get throttle bodies and then standalone ecu so dont see the point of payin to get my standard one mapped just to change it later and lose that money.Should it fail the mot if its over fueling due to not bein mapped? |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:22
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cress87
Seasoned Pro  Location: Norwich Registered: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 11,360 Status: Offline |
Post #71
What exactly, other than your lack of speeling and grammer skillz, are you trying to prove Pugheaven? Those second technical specs don't specifically state that a remap is required but it's common sense really. Nowhere does it say that a different map is not required though. With all due respect, I think Phillip is better informed on this subject* so you should probably stop arguing about this. * excluding fuel pressure regulators which he knows nothing about.  ________________________________________  You feed beefburgers to swans.  I may have been speeding Mr Policeman but [a] I live for the 306 and [b] did you see that dog? omfg |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:24
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #72
cress87 wrote: [size=1]* excluding fuel pressure regulators which he knows nothing about.  ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:24
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #73
but the stock ecu wont let you go to 9k!Im not saying i know everythink but yes i do know how an engine works mate! well i would hope so as i build t55 engines. |
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Posted 4th Oct 2009 at 17:27
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phillipm
Seasoned Pro Location: Rotherham Registered: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 20,607 Status: Offline |
Post #74
pugheaven wrote: Should it fail the mot if its over fueling due to not bein mapped? Nope, the lambda sensor should sort that given it'll be running in closed loop at MOT speed. You might get a lovely bit of bore wash when you boot it though. ________________________________________ - Bespoke rollcages/additions/adjustments. Half cages right up to complete custom spaceframes - MSA/FIA spec, CDS, ROPT, T45, etc - PM meEmail me! Custom-made polybushes available - need an odd size or fitment? - anything from batch work to one-off pieces. |
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Posted 3rd Oct 2009 at 22:25
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pugheaven
Seasoned Pro Location: Fareham Registered: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 4,602 Status: Offline |
Post #75
im not arguing im putting my side across.I know phillip knows what he is talking about. spelin wat splein mate |
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